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This is how art, comedy and free speech dies. You take the hyper-sensitive, outrage-addicted Twitter culture as measuring stick for what is appropriate. Whilst

by fleddr 5y ago

This is how art, comedy and free speech dies. You take the hyper-sensitive, outrage-addicted Twitter culture as measuring stick for what is appropriate. Whilst Netflix did resist a full take-down, they still took a knee. Don't bow to the unreasonables, just publish and don't explain anything. And indeed, fire the anti-employees, whom sabotage your business. You're offended? So what? Grow up. Meanwhile hit show "Squid Games" depicts hundreds of people executed, and there's nothing but love and praise.

krapp 5y ago
>Meanwhile hit show "Squid Games" depicts hundreds of people executed, and there's nothing but love and praise. You do realize that's fiction, right?
- fleddr 5y ago
  No, really? And comedy isn't?
  - krapp 5y ago
    No. Comedy and fiction are separate concepts. For instance, what we're discussing in this thread is comedy being used in a non-fictional context, which makes your implication that we should be more concerned about violence against fictional characters seem like a comparison between apples and a picture of an orange. The reason no one is up in arms about people getting killed in Squid Game is that it isn't real. The trans community, meanwhile, does actually exist.
    - fleddr 5y ago
      No harm was inflicted in the comedy. It was a joke. Jokes can offend. Some people are extremely easily offended, some laugh at the harshest joke at their expense. Get over yourself.
      - falcolas 5y ago
        “You should go kill yourself [insert slur here], loljk” This will always be fine to say since it’s a joke, right? Of course it’s not. Shit being couched as a joke still smells, looks, and tastes like shit.
        fleddr 5y ago
        It's not a funny joke, but yes, that too falls in the range of comedy, distasteful and harsh at it is. It's dark comedy. Yet it seems to me you purposefully escalated it 10 levels above the supposed insult in the show. I play a fair amount of games and pretty much every day I see in chat something like this: "I hope your mother dies of cancer". This does nothing to me. It doesn't upset me. Because context matters. It's some anonymous kid cowardly saying the nastiest thing they can think of. Which in male to male dialogue means going for the holiest of holiest: their mother. Who cares? Even if it would offend me...so what? What happens next? Nothing. You don't have a right to not be insulted.
        loudtieblahblah 5y ago
        The problem is, someone will always find offense at something especially once culture teaches them it gives them power over others. Once you give in to the extreme end, you'll be giving in to more and more and more. People tried canceling Weird AL bc he said "spastic" in Word Crimes, and that's supposedly ableist. What's he to do? Tell you its only a joke so you can come back with your retort about "these types of people" for whom it's "always a joke" Power has been given to the mobs and they keep moving the line and we're at their mercy of what is allowed and not allowed to not only be funny but be said at all Even more maddening is that this little group of authoritarians spend so much time crying about fascism anytime someone is to the left or the right of the Democratic Party, without having a hard look in the mirror. All these perpetually offended types weren't mad at Netflix when it peddled a movie that paid preteen girl actresses to twerk and grind on a floor for a film with "a message". But black man hurt fee fees by trying to find a middle ground no less, so let's bring out the tiki torches.
      - krapp 5y ago
        > Get over yourself. LOL. OK edgelord. I can see I'm not going to get an actual conversation from you. Have a nice day.
micromacrofoot 5y ago
this is so hyperbolic, people have been saying political correctness is killing comedy for decades and it’s fine - louis ck literally ejaculated in front of women without their consent and is still touring and doing comedy
- fleddr 5y ago
  This very situation shows it's not fine.
  - micromacrofoot 5y ago
    the situation where the comedian everyone is mad about is still filthy rich and getting tons of press? working the same as it always has
    - fleddr 5y ago
      Rich has nothing to do with it, this is about the freedom of speech, art and comedy.
      - micromacrofoot 5y ago
        none of which are at risk here… the comedian said whatever he wanted, was paid millions for his art which was viewed by millions… this is like the apex of success
        fleddr 5y ago
        You seem really obsessed with money. This minor insult has led to a disproportionate amount of outrage. Which is a very strong signal to other comedians to only engage in jokes deemed "safe". That's a regression.
        micromacrofoot 5y ago
        but that’s inconsequential, nothing comes from it other than more exposure - that’s the point i’m making, if anything this continues to show that there’s no such thing as bad press
elgernon 5y ago
this, Netflix should not explain their actions. And if they suspend someone they better follow through and just fire them, indecisiveness projects weakness. I'm glad Reed Hastings fully supports this, he is a major donor to the DNC, they are fighting their own.

by fleddr 5y ago

krapp 5y ago

>Meanwhile hit show "Squid Games" depicts hundreds of people executed, and there's nothing but love and praise. You do realize that's fiction, right?

fleddr 5y ago
No, really? And comedy isn't?
- krapp 5y ago
  No. Comedy and fiction are separate concepts. For instance, what we're discussing in this thread is comedy being used in a non-fictional context, which makes your implication that we should be more concerned about violence against fictional characters seem like a comparison between apples and a picture of an orange. The reason no one is up in arms about people getting killed in Squid Game is that it isn't real. The trans community, meanwhile, does actually exist.
  - fleddr 5y ago
    No harm was inflicted in the comedy. It was a joke. Jokes can offend. Some people are extremely easily offended, some laugh at the harshest joke at their expense. Get over yourself.
    - falcolas 5y ago
      “You should go kill yourself [insert slur here], loljk” This will always be fine to say since it’s a joke, right? Of course it’s not. Shit being couched as a joke still smells, looks, and tastes like shit.
      - fleddr 5y ago
        It's not a funny joke, but yes, that too falls in the range of comedy, distasteful and harsh at it is. It's dark comedy. Yet it seems to me you purposefully escalated it 10 levels above the supposed insult in the show. I play a fair amount of games and pretty much every day I see in chat something like this: "I hope your mother dies of cancer". This does nothing to me. It doesn't upset me. Because context matters. It's some anonymous kid cowardly saying the nastiest thing they can think of. Which in male to male dialogue means going for the holiest of holiest: their mother. Who cares? Even if it would offend me...so what? What happens next? Nothing. You don't have a right to not be insulted.
      - loudtieblahblah 5y ago
        The problem is, someone will always find offense at something especially once culture teaches them it gives them power over others. Once you give in to the extreme end, you'll be giving in to more and more and more. People tried canceling Weird AL bc he said "spastic" in Word Crimes, and that's supposedly ableist. What's he to do? Tell you its only a joke so you can come back with your retort about "these types of people" for whom it's "always a joke" Power has been given to the mobs and they keep moving the line and we're at their mercy of what is allowed and not allowed to not only be funny but be said at all Even more maddening is that this little group of authoritarians spend so much time crying about fascism anytime someone is to the left or the right of the Democratic Party, without having a hard look in the mirror. All these perpetually offended types weren't mad at Netflix when it peddled a movie that paid preteen girl actresses to twerk and grind on a floor for a film with "a message". But black man hurt fee fees by trying to find a middle ground no less, so let's bring out the tiki torches.
    - krapp 5y ago
      > Get over yourself. LOL. OK edgelord. I can see I'm not going to get an actual conversation from you. Have a nice day.

micromacrofoot 5y ago

this is so hyperbolic, people have been saying political correctness is killing comedy for decades and it’s fine - louis ck literally ejaculated in front of women without their consent and is still touring and doing comedy

fleddr 5y ago
This very situation shows it's not fine.
- micromacrofoot 5y ago
  the situation where the comedian everyone is mad about is still filthy rich and getting tons of press? working the same as it always has
  - fleddr 5y ago
    Rich has nothing to do with it, this is about the freedom of speech, art and comedy.
    - micromacrofoot 5y ago
      none of which are at risk here… the comedian said whatever he wanted, was paid millions for his art which was viewed by millions… this is like the apex of success
      - fleddr 5y ago
        You seem really obsessed with money. This minor insult has led to a disproportionate amount of outrage. Which is a very strong signal to other comedians to only engage in jokes deemed "safe". That's a regression.
        micromacrofoot 5y ago
        but that’s inconsequential, nothing comes from it other than more exposure - that’s the point i’m making, if anything this continues to show that there’s no such thing as bad press

elgernon 5y ago

this, Netflix should not explain their actions. And if they suspend someone they better follow through and just fire them, indecisiveness projects weakness. I'm glad Reed Hastings fully supports this, he is a major donor to the DNC, they are fighting their own.