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A subreddit that celebrates people dying is disgusting. The fact that you linked to it even more so.

by keneda7 5y ago

b0sk 5y ago
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- keneda7 5y ago
  I have browsed the subreddit. It is filled will people celebrating other dying. It also was posting people private information causing the families of the deceased to get harassed. This recently lead the subreddits moderators to change the rules to keep this from happening so don't bother denying it. It is no different than the anti-vaxers posting picture of people's social media feeds bragging about being vaccinated and then ending up in the hospital. Its disgusting and completely uncalled for. Is it okay to celebrate when an obese person dies from heart disease? No it is not. Its a time to let their families and friends grieve their loss.
  - b0sk 5y ago
    > It is no different than the anti-vaxers posting picture of people's social media feeds bragging about being vaccinated and then ending up in the hospital. What a sad analogy. One group that can take one or two shots and can drastically decrease the odds of hospitalization vs one group that tried to do the right thing but still got COVID mostly due to huge community transmission contributed by the unvaxxed group. > Is it okay to celebrate when an obese person dies from heart disease? If only obese people could take 2 shots that drastically reduces the odds of heart disease.
    - keneda7 5y ago
      I'm not and have never been arguing about whether or not to take a vaccine. I am arguing celebrating people dying is disgusting no matter the cause. That is it. You can disagree and list why you disagree and I'll respond but, I have zero interesting in arguing about taking a vaccine or if taking 2 shots is easier than exhibiting self control.
    - BitwiseFool 5y ago
      >"If only obese people could take 2 shots that drastically reduces the odds of heart disease. " In this analogy, if such a shot did exist and there were obese people who did not take it, would there be a subreddit giving out awards for when they die from obesity related complications?
      - lghh 5y ago
        If they could easily spread obesity to others and potentially get them killed as well, I don't see why not.
  - TulliusCicero 5y ago
    These comparisons to obesity are so, so stupid. Obesity is a far more complex case, with much more challenging solutions. For people that become fatter more easily, it takes a lot of work every week to maintain a healthy lifestyle, and that basically never stops. Obese people are almost never proudly very overweight, and if a normal weight was just a couple safe and free shots away, virtually all of them would sign up. In contrast, vaccination is widely accessible, free, easy, and barely consumes any time. You have to actively not want to be vaccinated at this point to avoid it.
    - lghh 5y ago
      Also, you can't spread obesity to the non-obese. I know about network affect influencing obesity, but that's a process and involves actions on the other parties behalf and takes more than a few minutes. Don't try to "gotcha" me.
      - shard 5y ago
        Network effects can cause the spread of obesity, as well as ideologies such as the anti-vax movement, so I don't see why it's not a "gotcha".
        lghh 5y ago
        Because beyond ideology you can literally spread Covid, not just the incorrect ideas around the Covid vaccine. Like, I can be around someone with Covid and catch it and have Covid. That's a clear difference from obesity.
        TulliusCicero 5y ago
        It's possible to resist network effects, not really possible to resist virus particles you unknowingly inhale.
        chris_wot 5y ago
        You can socially distance and wear a mask.
  - MisterBastahrd 5y ago
    Sure thing, dude. Here's a mental exercise for you: what percentage of the obese population would, if they could, take a vaccine that would prevent them from being obese? Given the sheer amount of money spent on diet programs every year, I'm betting that the percentage would be absolutely staggering. Even most of those who are against taking the COVID vaccine would take it. Now compare that to these people who don't want to take a vaccine because they (a) believe that they're nigh-invincible, and (b) believe that they're taking a political stand against tyranny. Opening people's eyes to what the disease does and how it can be prevented is vastly more important than the feelings of the family members of gullible people.
imoverclocked 5y ago
It is disgusting. The whole situation is disgusting. People refusing to take a vaccine and/or wear a mask to avoid being a burden to the healthcare system (or the morgues) is disgusting. I think the link is relevant to the context of the problem.
chris_wot 5y ago
It’s not celebrating their deaths. It’s warning about what happens when you ignore modern medical science and start believing conspiracy theories.
- listless 5y ago
  No it isn’t. The only people who would read that subreddit are those who go there to bask in the tragedy.
  - chris_wot 5y ago
    Well, I've just disproven your hypothesis, because I read that subreddit, and I absolutely don't bask in their tragedy. What is happening to these people is a tragedy, not only for their deaths but for the sheer and utter stupidity of it all.
CamperBob2 5y ago
Your offense is oddly selective. You should be offended at the attitudes and thought processes that lead to the existence of the Herman Cain Awards.
- keneda7 5y ago
  That's the thing. I am not being selective. IMO it does not matter why someone dies, it is never appropriate to laugh or make fun of it. It does not matter the cause, someone else is always suffering from the loss. This has nothing to do with whether or not some made a smart choice. I never once said or implied I wasn't offended at the process that lead to it. You just made that up, really I have no idea why. My point has always been and remains: It is not okay to make fun of someone dying. I do not care the reason of the death. If you lose someone close how would you feel if people stared harassing you over the death of your loved one because someone wanted some fake internet points on reddit?
  - CamperBob2 5y ago
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    - BitwiseFool 5y ago
      >"These people make the world a worse place, so it's entirely possible that we're better off without them." I'm not normally a slippery-slope kind of person, but I implore you not to let this line of thinking become acceptable, lest it apply to other groups of people. My fear is that if people can adopt this kind of attitude for Covid-Vaccine refusers, I shudder to think what other groups this can be applied to, too.
      - CamperBob2 5y ago
        Always good advice, for sure. I do think it can be a valid reasoning process in zero-sum cases like this, where a clear dividing line can be drawn between patients who are there because they bought into whatever BS they were spreading on Facebook the day before, and patients who drew the short straw despite following the best available guidance.
pessimizer 5y ago
It doesn't celebrate people dying, it celebrates people for dying, with an award. Many, many lives have been saved through their noble sacrifices and effective self-censorship.
- chroem- 5y ago
  Imagine a subreddit dedicated to giving out awards to transgender suicides. Incredibly disgusting.
  - lghh 5y ago
    Not even remotely similar. I am once again reminded of my favorite Dril tweet "the wise man bowed his head solemnly and spoke: 'theres actually zero difference between good & bad things. you imbecile. you fucking moron'". Loudly proclaiming ignorance (usually ideologically driven) of modern medicine while actively endangering those around you and then facing the consequences of your actions is a totally different beast than making a decision about your body (or affirming something about your body) and societal pressure around that decision fueling depression and resulting in suicide. HCA is much more similar to looking at posts made by people who drive drunk celebrating their inability to drive sober and then that person dying in a single person car accident. Really gross take. [1] https://twitter.com/dril/status/473265809079693312?lang=en https://twitter.com/dril/status/473265809079693312?lang=en
- BitwiseFool 5y ago
  Let's not sugar-coat things, r/HermanCainAward is a subreddit designed around schadenfreude and a sense of comeuppance. I am entirely serious when I say that I believe it is designed to make users internalize the idea that those people deserved to die.
  - ianleeclark 5y ago
    > I am entirely serious when I say that I believe it is designed This is entirely conspiratorial. Subscribers are subscribed to this not through some advertising campaign, but because they already believed those people deserved to die.
davidw 5y ago
Yeah, I don't think the subreddit makes the world a better place, but the broader point is true. Where I live, the director of the hospital has admitted that people have died because they can't get "elective" surgery because the hospital has been full of COVID cases for months now, and they're just maxed out. I had an acquaintance pass away from COVID recently. She was fairly young and in good shape. She wasn't a raging, obnoxious COVID denier, but her husband didn't seem to place much stock in it and I don't think they got their shots. He's heartbroken, and she leaves behind two sons as well as friends and family. It's pretty tragic that this one stupid mistake took a person who was kind and sweet from the world. Seeing that over and over and over again... there is no amount of money you could pay me to work in that field right now.
TulliusCicero 5y ago
It's basically the same as the Darwin Award. Impolite, sure, but it's hard to feel bad for people actively making the pandemic worse, contributing further to all the death. Compared to actually causing more deaths, simple mockery seems rather mild.
- marcusverus 5y ago
  The obese also make the pandemic worse. Does that make fat shaming okay? Or only if they’ve been killed by Covid?
  - op00to 5y ago
    Levels of degree, pal. Hospitals aren’t overloaded with the obese, they’re overloaded with the unvaccinated.
    - missinfo 5y ago
      How many patients currently in hospitals are obese vs unvaccinated?
      - chris_wot 5y ago
        Why don't you tell us?
      - NovemberWhiskey 5y ago
        How many of the obese could get to a healthy weight with one injection in the arm? Are we bored of people answering questions with questions yet?
        missinfo 5y ago
        That's a non-sequitur. The claim isn't about what's easier to prevent. The claim is that unvaccinated are more of a burden on our healthcare system. Ok, I'm open to that, but let's see the data. I'm not bored of questions, I'm bored of unsubstantiated claims.
MattGaiser 5y ago
https://old.reddit.com/r/HermanCainAward/comments/psspcx/a_gentle_reminder_to_any_journalists_who_willwant/ https://old.reddit.com/r/HermanCainAward/comments/psspcx/a_g...
- BitwiseFool 5y ago
  Man, this reeks of something I don't think the English language has a word for yet. 'What we do here is pretty terrible... BUT it is entirely the fault of the people we dehumanize. THEY are the ones who are responsible and we will continue to do what we do because THEY continue to do what they do.'
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  - gilmore606 5y ago
    "Look what you made me do, Tina." -- Ike Turner
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listless 5y ago
And you got downvoted for pointing this out. The decline of our society is both tragic and appalling.

A subreddit that celebrates people dying is disgusting. The fact that you linked to it even more so.

b0sk 5y ago

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keneda7 5y ago
I have browsed the subreddit. It is filled will people celebrating other dying. It also was posting people private information causing the families of the deceased to get harassed. This recently lead the subreddits moderators to change the rules to keep this from happening so don't bother denying it. It is no different than the anti-vaxers posting picture of people's social media feeds bragging about being vaccinated and then ending up in the hospital. Its disgusting and completely uncalled for. Is it okay to celebrate when an obese person dies from heart disease? No it is not. Its a time to let their families and friends grieve their loss.
- b0sk 5y ago
  > It is no different than the anti-vaxers posting picture of people's social media feeds bragging about being vaccinated and then ending up in the hospital. What a sad analogy. One group that can take one or two shots and can drastically decrease the odds of hospitalization vs one group that tried to do the right thing but still got COVID mostly due to huge community transmission contributed by the unvaxxed group. > Is it okay to celebrate when an obese person dies from heart disease? If only obese people could take 2 shots that drastically reduces the odds of heart disease.
  - keneda7 5y ago
    I'm not and have never been arguing about whether or not to take a vaccine. I am arguing celebrating people dying is disgusting no matter the cause. That is it. You can disagree and list why you disagree and I'll respond but, I have zero interesting in arguing about taking a vaccine or if taking 2 shots is easier than exhibiting self control.
  - BitwiseFool 5y ago
    >"If only obese people could take 2 shots that drastically reduces the odds of heart disease. " In this analogy, if such a shot did exist and there were obese people who did not take it, would there be a subreddit giving out awards for when they die from obesity related complications?
    - lghh 5y ago
      If they could easily spread obesity to others and potentially get them killed as well, I don't see why not.
- TulliusCicero 5y ago
  These comparisons to obesity are so, so stupid. Obesity is a far more complex case, with much more challenging solutions. For people that become fatter more easily, it takes a lot of work every week to maintain a healthy lifestyle, and that basically never stops. Obese people are almost never proudly very overweight, and if a normal weight was just a couple safe and free shots away, virtually all of them would sign up. In contrast, vaccination is widely accessible, free, easy, and barely consumes any time. You have to actively not want to be vaccinated at this point to avoid it.
  - lghh 5y ago
    Also, you can't spread obesity to the non-obese. I know about network affect influencing obesity, but that's a process and involves actions on the other parties behalf and takes more than a few minutes. Don't try to "gotcha" me.
    - shard 5y ago
      Network effects can cause the spread of obesity, as well as ideologies such as the anti-vax movement, so I don't see why it's not a "gotcha".
      - lghh 5y ago
        Because beyond ideology you can literally spread Covid, not just the incorrect ideas around the Covid vaccine. Like, I can be around someone with Covid and catch it and have Covid. That's a clear difference from obesity.
      - TulliusCicero 5y ago
        It's possible to resist network effects, not really possible to resist virus particles you unknowingly inhale.
        chris_wot 5y ago
        You can socially distance and wear a mask.
- MisterBastahrd 5y ago
  Sure thing, dude. Here's a mental exercise for you: what percentage of the obese population would, if they could, take a vaccine that would prevent them from being obese? Given the sheer amount of money spent on diet programs every year, I'm betting that the percentage would be absolutely staggering. Even most of those who are against taking the COVID vaccine would take it. Now compare that to these people who don't want to take a vaccine because they (a) believe that they're nigh-invincible, and (b) believe that they're taking a political stand against tyranny. Opening people's eyes to what the disease does and how it can be prevented is vastly more important than the feelings of the family members of gullible people.

imoverclocked 5y ago

It is disgusting. The whole situation is disgusting. People refusing to take a vaccine and/or wear a mask to avoid being a burden to the healthcare system (or the morgues) is disgusting. I think the link is relevant to the context of the problem.

chris_wot 5y ago

It’s not celebrating their deaths. It’s warning about what happens when you ignore modern medical science and start believing conspiracy theories.

listless 5y ago
No it isn’t. The only people who would read that subreddit are those who go there to bask in the tragedy.
- chris_wot 5y ago
  Well, I've just disproven your hypothesis, because I read that subreddit, and I absolutely don't bask in their tragedy. What is happening to these people is a tragedy, not only for their deaths but for the sheer and utter stupidity of it all.

CamperBob2 5y ago

Your offense is oddly selective. You should be offended at the attitudes and thought processes that lead to the existence of the Herman Cain Awards.

keneda7 5y ago
That's the thing. I am not being selective. IMO it does not matter why someone dies, it is never appropriate to laugh or make fun of it. It does not matter the cause, someone else is always suffering from the loss. This has nothing to do with whether or not some made a smart choice. I never once said or implied I wasn't offended at the process that lead to it. You just made that up, really I have no idea why. My point has always been and remains: It is not okay to make fun of someone dying. I do not care the reason of the death. If you lose someone close how would you feel if people stared harassing you over the death of your loved one because someone wanted some fake internet points on reddit?
- CamperBob2 5y ago
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  - BitwiseFool 5y ago
    >"These people make the world a worse place, so it's entirely possible that we're better off without them." I'm not normally a slippery-slope kind of person, but I implore you not to let this line of thinking become acceptable, lest it apply to other groups of people. My fear is that if people can adopt this kind of attitude for Covid-Vaccine refusers, I shudder to think what other groups this can be applied to, too.
    - CamperBob2 5y ago
      Always good advice, for sure. I do think it can be a valid reasoning process in zero-sum cases like this, where a clear dividing line can be drawn between patients who are there because they bought into whatever BS they were spreading on Facebook the day before, and patients who drew the short straw despite following the best available guidance.

pessimizer 5y ago

It doesn't celebrate people dying, it celebrates people for dying, with an award. Many, many lives have been saved through their noble sacrifices and effective self-censorship.

chroem- 5y ago
Imagine a subreddit dedicated to giving out awards to transgender suicides. Incredibly disgusting.
- lghh 5y ago
  Not even remotely similar. I am once again reminded of my favorite Dril tweet "the wise man bowed his head solemnly and spoke: 'theres actually zero difference between good & bad things. you imbecile. you fucking moron'". Loudly proclaiming ignorance (usually ideologically driven) of modern medicine while actively endangering those around you and then facing the consequences of your actions is a totally different beast than making a decision about your body (or affirming something about your body) and societal pressure around that decision fueling depression and resulting in suicide. HCA is much more similar to looking at posts made by people who drive drunk celebrating their inability to drive sober and then that person dying in a single person car accident. Really gross take. [1] https://twitter.com/dril/status/473265809079693312?lang=en https://twitter.com/dril/status/473265809079693312?lang=en
BitwiseFool 5y ago
Let's not sugar-coat things, r/HermanCainAward is a subreddit designed around schadenfreude and a sense of comeuppance. I am entirely serious when I say that I believe it is designed to make users internalize the idea that those people deserved to die.
- ianleeclark 5y ago
  > I am entirely serious when I say that I believe it is designed This is entirely conspiratorial. Subscribers are subscribed to this not through some advertising campaign, but because they already believed those people deserved to die.

davidw 5y ago

Yeah, I don't think the subreddit makes the world a better place, but the broader point is true. Where I live, the director of the hospital has admitted that people have died because they can't get "elective" surgery because the hospital has been full of COVID cases for months now, and they're just maxed out. I had an acquaintance pass away from COVID recently. She was fairly young and in good shape. She wasn't a raging, obnoxious COVID denier, but her husband didn't seem to place much stock in it and I don't think they got their shots. He's heartbroken, and she leaves behind two sons as well as friends and family. It's pretty tragic that this one stupid mistake took a person who was kind and sweet from the world. Seeing that over and over and over again... there is no amount of money you could pay me to work in that field right now.

TulliusCicero 5y ago

It's basically the same as the Darwin Award. Impolite, sure, but it's hard to feel bad for people actively making the pandemic worse, contributing further to all the death. Compared to actually causing more deaths, simple mockery seems rather mild.

marcusverus 5y ago
The obese also make the pandemic worse. Does that make fat shaming okay? Or only if they’ve been killed by Covid?
- op00to 5y ago
  Levels of degree, pal. Hospitals aren’t overloaded with the obese, they’re overloaded with the unvaccinated.
  - missinfo 5y ago
    How many patients currently in hospitals are obese vs unvaccinated?
    - chris_wot 5y ago
      Why don't you tell us?
    - NovemberWhiskey 5y ago
      How many of the obese could get to a healthy weight with one injection in the arm? Are we bored of people answering questions with questions yet?
      - missinfo 5y ago
        That's a non-sequitur. The claim isn't about what's easier to prevent. The claim is that unvaccinated are more of a burden on our healthcare system. Ok, I'm open to that, but let's see the data. I'm not bored of questions, I'm bored of unsubstantiated claims.

MattGaiser 5y ago

https://old.reddit.com/r/HermanCainAward/comments/psspcx/a_gentle_reminder_to_any_journalists_who_willwant/ https://old.reddit.com/r/HermanCainAward/comments/psspcx/a_g...

BitwiseFool 5y ago
Man, this reeks of something I don't think the English language has a word for yet. 'What we do here is pretty terrible... BUT it is entirely the fault of the people we dehumanize. THEY are the ones who are responsible and we will continue to do what we do because THEY continue to do what they do.'
- deleted 5y ago
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- gilmore606 5y ago
  "Look what you made me do, Tina." -- Ike Turner

deleted 5y ago

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listless 5y ago

And you got downvoted for pointing this out. The decline of our society is both tragic and appalling.