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I have sufficient resolution on it from people who did watch it and had a wide range of takes on it from "it's not transphobic, don't be a dumbass" to "it wasn'
by mkr-hn 5y ago
I have sufficient resolution on it from people who did watch it and had a wide range of takes on it from "it's not transphobic, don't be a dumbass" to "it wasn't exactly transphobic, but it wasn't good and I understand why people consider the bad jokes transphobic" without subjecting myself to it.
Netflix's reaction is really the main subject of my comment. The way to interpret the show is just not relevant anymore. Netflix made it about Netflix.
- e40 5y agoMore importantly than any of your associates, I have two important data points: I watched it and it was definitely not transphobic. Dave's trans female friend that committed suicide, her family supports Dave and says they believe it's not transphobic. Every single criticism I've seen has been general. None of them, except the ones which take stuff out of context, have specific gripes. That's how you know this is about shutting down debate they don't want to hear.
- mkr-hn 5y agoYou'll understand if I weigh the accounts of trans people who watched it over what you, Dave Chapelle, and the family of a trans person who can't speak for herself said.
- CarelessExpert 5y agoYou really gotta wonder how Dave would feel if a white person tried to explain to him how a joke he saw as racist wasn't actually racist, and besides, my black friend said it's fine... There must be some analog to "mansplaining" that fits, here. "Transplaining"? Hmm...
- mkr-hn 5y agoI've seen cissplaining used to good effect.
- e40 5y agoBefore she died she supported Dave, as well. My main point stands: criticism of his special is too vague. It's almost as if many of the critics never watched the whole thing, having formed an opinion about it early on and stopped watching. I watched the entire thing and it is a single piece. There are no standalone jokes in that special. Every single word is in support of the last words he speaks. I even watched the special a second time to be sure I hadn't been bamboozled by Dave's wit and charm. I felt even more sure after the 2nd viewing that it's not transphobic.
- mkr-hn 5y agoI am not discussing or interested in this hypothetical person who hasn't watched it but is still commenting as though they did. To reiterate: >> "You'll understand if I weigh the accounts of trans people who watched it over what you, Dave Chapelle, and the family of a trans person who can't speak for herself said."
- dazilcher 5y agoTl;dr: I'm parroting someone else's opinion on a show I didn't watch.
- donatj 5y ago> I have sufficient resolution on it from people who did watch it Never trust other people's opinions on matters like this. Other people trust other people trust other people and you get mountains of wrong. Forming an opinion-based purely on other people's opinions is just a form of prejudice.
- mkr-hn 5y agoMy trust is based on cancelling Netflix long ago after a string of stand-up shows full of bigoted jokes. I don't need another data point.
- pbak 5y agoSeeing that the last third of the show was a homage by Dave Chappelle to a comedian trans friend of his which committed suicide, maybe you should.