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Moxie's recent post is a fantastic illustration of how NFTs as they are currently implemented are bullshit, https://twitter.com/moxie/status/1448066579611234305

Moxie's recent post is a fantastic illustration of how NFTs as they are currently implemented are bullshit, https://twitter.com/moxie/status/1448066579611234305 https://twitter.com/moxie/status/1448066579611234305 I'm not sure I'd go so far to call them an outright scam, but they're highly fragile assets that likely won't stand the test of time. I would be interested to see if someone is working on implementing NFTs in a way that I can feel confident that the digital art will remain provably attached to the NFT for decades and centuries in future.

azeirah 5y ago
From this tweet, it sounds like NFT's are not much more reliable than html <a> tags? If the host is down, the NFT is nothing more than just a pointer to a 404?
- anonporridge 5y ago
  Pretty much. And worse, the host of the image could theoretically change it on you and you'd have no way to prove (at least in a trustless way) what the original image was.
- X6S1x6Okd1st 5y ago
  Yup. Here's a tool for checking most ETH based NFTs: https://checkmynft.com/?address=0x5c61afa47570ab2b562606fa578221305b12c307&id=1 https://checkmynft.com/?address=0x5c61afa47570ab2b562606fa57...
- knownjorbist 5y ago
  Some NFTs point at images hosted in a traditional, centralized fashion. Others point to IPFS hashes which are basically permanent.
- kooshball 5y ago
  it depends on how it's implemented. its much harder to implement onchain so a lot of projects will do things like <a> tag which is not trustworthy long term like moxie said. there are well respected projects that are fully onchain such as cryptopunks and autoglyphs
X6S1x6Okd1st 5y ago
Yeah a huge portion of NFTs on Ethereum are like this. Hicetnunc does it right where by default the NFT is minted pointing at an IPFS hash.
- anonporridge 5y ago
  IPFS would definitely be better, but there's no guarantee that the data will be stored on IPFS forever. I'm thinking something more like a hash of the artwork embedded in the NFT directly rather than just a link to it. That way, even if the link breaks, you can still prove that a piece of digital art belongs to the NFT.
  - X6S1x6Okd1st 5y ago
    As long as you've saved a copy of the art (the exact copy) you can restore it to ipfs even if no one else pins it.
    - anonporridge 5y ago
      Ah, maybe I need to spend some time digging into IPFS. Is it correct to say that an IPFS address can only point to a specific piece of data, and re-uploading that data will generate the same address?
      - X6S1x6Okd1st 5y ago
        Yup! IPFS address is a hash of the contents.
        anonporridge 5y ago
        Nice! I've got to find time to setup an IPFS node.
        IanCal 5y ago
        It's very quick, and there's also docker images that you can use (handy for projects that use IPFS).
jikbd 5y ago
Is this the guy who put crypto in Signal?

azeirah 5y ago

From this tweet, it sounds like NFT's are not much more reliable than html <a> tags? If the host is down, the NFT is nothing more than just a pointer to a 404?

anonporridge 5y ago
Pretty much. And worse, the host of the image could theoretically change it on you and you'd have no way to prove (at least in a trustless way) what the original image was.
X6S1x6Okd1st 5y ago
Yup. Here's a tool for checking most ETH based NFTs: https://checkmynft.com/?address=0x5c61afa47570ab2b562606fa578221305b12c307&id=1 https://checkmynft.com/?address=0x5c61afa47570ab2b562606fa57...
knownjorbist 5y ago
Some NFTs point at images hosted in a traditional, centralized fashion. Others point to IPFS hashes which are basically permanent.
kooshball 5y ago
it depends on how it's implemented. its much harder to implement onchain so a lot of projects will do things like <a> tag which is not trustworthy long term like moxie said. there are well respected projects that are fully onchain such as cryptopunks and autoglyphs

X6S1x6Okd1st 5y ago

Yeah a huge portion of NFTs on Ethereum are like this. Hicetnunc does it right where by default the NFT is minted pointing at an IPFS hash.

anonporridge 5y ago
IPFS would definitely be better, but there's no guarantee that the data will be stored on IPFS forever. I'm thinking something more like a hash of the artwork embedded in the NFT directly rather than just a link to it. That way, even if the link breaks, you can still prove that a piece of digital art belongs to the NFT.
- X6S1x6Okd1st 5y ago
  As long as you've saved a copy of the art (the exact copy) you can restore it to ipfs even if no one else pins it.
  - anonporridge 5y ago
    Ah, maybe I need to spend some time digging into IPFS. Is it correct to say that an IPFS address can only point to a specific piece of data, and re-uploading that data will generate the same address?
    - X6S1x6Okd1st 5y ago
      Yup! IPFS address is a hash of the contents.
      - anonporridge 5y ago
        Nice! I've got to find time to setup an IPFS node.
        IanCal 5y ago
        It's very quick, and there's also docker images that you can use (handy for projects that use IPFS).

jikbd 5y ago

Is this the guy who put crypto in Signal?