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It's a very "boomer" decision. I mean, I can understand Valve trying to protect their users against the unknown, but blockchain games / play 2 earn / metaverses

It's a very "boomer" decision. I mean, I can understand Valve trying to protect their users against the unknown, but blockchain games / play 2 earn / metaverses are pretty much the future. Just imagine VRChat with unique collectibles, immutalized on a blockchain like Ethereum (so the item and the owner is completely verified), and being able to trade them for real money. It's like when Diablo 3 had a real money auction house. They were early, we still are, but these kind of game features will be the general norm in some years. So Valve will probably evolve in the future and accept them, when the space looks safer.

DizzyDoo 5y ago
Wow, hang on, you're bringing up Diablo 3's auction house as... a positive example?? That's a new one. It was, and still is, widely agreed to be a colossal, almost game-sinking failure, and Blizzard couldn't shut it down quick enough, once they understood the ramifications of their decision: [0] https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-24152225 https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-24152225 [1] https://www.wired.com/2013/09/diablo-auction-house/ https://www.wired.com/2013/09/diablo-auction-house/ [2] https://twitter.com/Tocelot/status/1439632031726456832 https://twitter.com/Tocelot/status/1439632031726456832
Quarrelsome 5y ago
> but blockchain games / play 2 earn / metaverses are pretty much the future Football index was a scam, I would argue these "metaverses" are the scams of the future. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_Index https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_Index
- dreyfan 5y ago
  > I would argue these "metaverses" are the scams of the future Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. The concept of metaverses have existed long before the cryptocurrency/ICO/DAO/DeFi/NFT community co-opted it. Same way they have, unfortunately, co-opted the term "web3" in current vernacular. It won't last though.
dubcanada 5y ago
Funny you said that considering Diablo 3 real money auction house was a massive bust and got removed very fast.
thesuperbigfrog 5y ago
Nothing says "FUN QUALITY GAMING" like cryptocurrency-enabled microtransaction-heavy pay-to-win games. It's "Clash of Clans" meets "Bored Ape Yacht Club". NO THANK YOU! I don't want anything to do with it. I think Valve is making the right call here.
- antifa 5y ago
  Steam is banning games that are categorically shitty. The last thing I want is Steam to become the garbage pile known as the Android Play Store.
Deestan 5y ago
I understand that many people are genuinely excited, and not everyone is trying to perpetuate a scam, but it's hard to be convinced when all arguments I find in favour are variants of vague references to "the future" and sentences starting with "imagine". No real "NFTs are a better alternative for X", and no convincing descriptions on what they can do that don't lean heavily on handwaving at some step. I'm sorry, but the emperor is really walking around with his buttcheeks flapping in the wind.
- dageshi 5y ago
  Disclaimer: I've never owned or bought a crypto thing in my life. Most of the biggest games in the world run on selling skins, the natural evolution of that is going from a position where a game developer says you own that skin because there's a record in their database to a position where you own that skin because you have the NFT and the developer recognises your NFT. It gives portability to something that already has massive massive demand. I do expect gaming crypto currencies and gaming NFT's to absolutely dwarf everything that came before in the crypto space.
  - ARandumGuy 5y ago
    The thing is, when a skin's ownership exists in a developer's database, that means the only way to get a skin is to buy it directly from the developer. EA doesn't want you to buy a rare FIFA Ultimate Team player from another FIFA player, they want you to buy a bunch of Ultimate Team packs from them directly. Only Valve really enables any reselling, and that's only on their closed platform, where all the money ends up back in Valve's pockets. In addition, a lot of game developers are already under scrutiny about gambling-like mechanics in their games (e.g. loot boxes). Turning this stuff into NFTs just makes it easier to cash out, which only makes the comparisons easier. The only people actually making NFT-based games are small developers using it as a marketing tool, or people using these games as a means to promote their NFT project. No large developer is making any major investments in this space, because it isn't a path to making more money then they're already making.
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dageshi 5y ago
I suspect it'll be too late. There's enough money sloshing around inside the crypto ecosystem for someone to build a crypto friendly steam and I think there'll be demand for such a platform imminently. One big hit, one CSGO, one pubg and there'll be a competitor to steam that the likes of Epic can only dream of.
- Duralias 5y ago
  You are missing the fact that people who aren't hyped about crypto don't see it as a feature or a reason to switch launcher. Epic hinged on being able to bring in tons of costumers to the Epic Games Store using Fortnite (A bigger than big hit), but they have not really managed that. Just like that, a crypto-friendly games store wouldn't be able to bring in enough costumers, even with a really big hit, to touch even the amount of people the Epic Games Store has gotten (freebies definitely helped them).
  - dageshi 5y ago
    Epic didn't fundamentally offer anything different from Steam, it's just games that would've otherwise been on Steam that epic bribed to be on epic. That from the outset annoyed a lot of people and the funny thing about fortnite is, the people who play it... only really play it alone. So getting them onboard doesn't necessarily mean they'll buy anything else on epic. In terms of getting people on board, I expect it'll come down to how much content gets pushed out by streamers and youtubers, if a game's hot on twitch people will likely at least try it, especially since I'd expect most crypto games to go f2p.
    - Duralias 5y ago
      > Epic didn't fundamentally offer anything different from Steam And for the vast majority of gamers, neither does crypto. > the people who play it... only really play it And the same would apply for a crypto friendly games store that had a big hit game. One thing I wasn't aware of, which I only just learned/realized from seeing worried conversations from a game I follow (that incorporates crypto) is that because of all the negative news about crypto, the general public view crypto quite negatively. I feel like crypto will need to spend a few years as "boring" before it can truly shine.
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DizzyDoo 5y ago

Wow, hang on, you're bringing up Diablo 3's auction house as... a positive example?? That's a new one. It was, and still is, widely agreed to be a colossal, almost game-sinking failure, and Blizzard couldn't shut it down quick enough, once they understood the ramifications of their decision: [0] https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-24152225 https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-24152225 [1] https://www.wired.com/2013/09/diablo-auction-house/ https://www.wired.com/2013/09/diablo-auction-house/ [2] https://twitter.com/Tocelot/status/1439632031726456832 https://twitter.com/Tocelot/status/1439632031726456832

Quarrelsome 5y ago

> but blockchain games / play 2 earn / metaverses are pretty much the future Football index was a scam, I would argue these "metaverses" are the scams of the future. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_Index https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_Index

dreyfan 5y ago
> I would argue these "metaverses" are the scams of the future Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. The concept of metaverses have existed long before the cryptocurrency/ICO/DAO/DeFi/NFT community co-opted it. Same way they have, unfortunately, co-opted the term "web3" in current vernacular. It won't last though.

dubcanada 5y ago

Funny you said that considering Diablo 3 real money auction house was a massive bust and got removed very fast.

thesuperbigfrog 5y ago

Nothing says "FUN QUALITY GAMING" like cryptocurrency-enabled microtransaction-heavy pay-to-win games. It's "Clash of Clans" meets "Bored Ape Yacht Club". NO THANK YOU! I don't want anything to do with it. I think Valve is making the right call here.

antifa 5y ago
Steam is banning games that are categorically shitty. The last thing I want is Steam to become the garbage pile known as the Android Play Store.

Deestan 5y ago

I understand that many people are genuinely excited, and not everyone is trying to perpetuate a scam, but it's hard to be convinced when all arguments I find in favour are variants of vague references to "the future" and sentences starting with "imagine". No real "NFTs are a better alternative for X", and no convincing descriptions on what they can do that don't lean heavily on handwaving at some step. I'm sorry, but the emperor is really walking around with his buttcheeks flapping in the wind.

dageshi 5y ago
Disclaimer: I've never owned or bought a crypto thing in my life. Most of the biggest games in the world run on selling skins, the natural evolution of that is going from a position where a game developer says you own that skin because there's a record in their database to a position where you own that skin because you have the NFT and the developer recognises your NFT. It gives portability to something that already has massive massive demand. I do expect gaming crypto currencies and gaming NFT's to absolutely dwarf everything that came before in the crypto space.
- ARandumGuy 5y ago
  The thing is, when a skin's ownership exists in a developer's database, that means the only way to get a skin is to buy it directly from the developer. EA doesn't want you to buy a rare FIFA Ultimate Team player from another FIFA player, they want you to buy a bunch of Ultimate Team packs from them directly. Only Valve really enables any reselling, and that's only on their closed platform, where all the money ends up back in Valve's pockets. In addition, a lot of game developers are already under scrutiny about gambling-like mechanics in their games (e.g. loot boxes). Turning this stuff into NFTs just makes it easier to cash out, which only makes the comparisons easier. The only people actually making NFT-based games are small developers using it as a marketing tool, or people using these games as a means to promote their NFT project. No large developer is making any major investments in this space, because it isn't a path to making more money then they're already making.
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dageshi 5y ago

I suspect it'll be too late. There's enough money sloshing around inside the crypto ecosystem for someone to build a crypto friendly steam and I think there'll be demand for such a platform imminently. One big hit, one CSGO, one pubg and there'll be a competitor to steam that the likes of Epic can only dream of.

Duralias 5y ago
You are missing the fact that people who aren't hyped about crypto don't see it as a feature or a reason to switch launcher. Epic hinged on being able to bring in tons of costumers to the Epic Games Store using Fortnite (A bigger than big hit), but they have not really managed that. Just like that, a crypto-friendly games store wouldn't be able to bring in enough costumers, even with a really big hit, to touch even the amount of people the Epic Games Store has gotten (freebies definitely helped them).
- dageshi 5y ago
  Epic didn't fundamentally offer anything different from Steam, it's just games that would've otherwise been on Steam that epic bribed to be on epic. That from the outset annoyed a lot of people and the funny thing about fortnite is, the people who play it... only really play it alone. So getting them onboard doesn't necessarily mean they'll buy anything else on epic. In terms of getting people on board, I expect it'll come down to how much content gets pushed out by streamers and youtubers, if a game's hot on twitch people will likely at least try it, especially since I'd expect most crypto games to go f2p.
  - Duralias 5y ago
    > Epic didn't fundamentally offer anything different from Steam And for the vast majority of gamers, neither does crypto. > the people who play it... only really play it And the same would apply for a crypto friendly games store that had a big hit game. One thing I wasn't aware of, which I only just learned/realized from seeing worried conversations from a game I follow (that incorporates crypto) is that because of all the negative news about crypto, the general public view crypto quite negatively. I feel like crypto will need to spend a few years as "boring" before it can truly shine.

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