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No, we're definitely disagreeing. Because a mess -can- be cleaned up, and it can be chosen consciously. In fact, it always is. People like to think they didn

No, we're definitely disagreeing. Because a mess -can- be cleaned up, and it can be chosen consciously. In fact, it always is. People like to think they didn't make a decision like: "I know this code is shit, but I'm going to push it live anyhow." But they DO. Every time. They just lie to themselves about it being shit. I'm even going to argue that there IS a time and place for shitty code. Startups are a great example of this. Get some barely working code up and going (incur debt) and then fix or rewrite it (pay the debt off). This gets the business earning money and moving forward as quickly as possible, and there's time later (if you don't put off the debt too long) to clean things up. The problem is that it doesn't have a $ amount attached to it, so many business types can't see it. They just see a working system and can't imagine why you want to spend more time and money on it. (Not that I really blame them... They can't see it.)

borism 15y ago
Technical debt is like fixed rate mortgage. Mess is like adjustable rate mortgage. You might be able to pay down the former, but you may go underwater if the latter goes way above what you imagined in your worst case scenarios.
- philwelch 15y ago
  You can still go underwater on a fixed rate mortgage, can't you? Underwater is when you owe more principal than the house is worth. Houses can lose value. Of course, all of this is far afield of the point. I thought technical debt was a fairly simple concept--you borrow from the future for some present benefit; you do something today that you have to pay back tomorrow. Once you chase down the metaphor this far, it's no longer a useful metaphor. Your technical debt will not be subject to quantitative easing.
mcantor 15y ago
You know your language has failed you when you can't even agree on whether you're agreeing or disagreeing.

borism 15y ago

Technical debt is like fixed rate mortgage. Mess is like adjustable rate mortgage. You might be able to pay down the former, but you may go underwater if the latter goes way above what you imagined in your worst case scenarios.

philwelch 15y ago
You can still go underwater on a fixed rate mortgage, can't you? Underwater is when you owe more principal than the house is worth. Houses can lose value. Of course, all of this is far afield of the point. I thought technical debt was a fairly simple concept--you borrow from the future for some present benefit; you do something today that you have to pay back tomorrow. Once you chase down the metaphor this far, it's no longer a useful metaphor. Your technical debt will not be subject to quantitative easing.

mcantor 15y ago

You know your language has failed you when you can't even agree on whether you're agreeing or disagreeing.