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This is also true of the Bachelors degree to a certain extent. With white males this is played out in the media as them lagging behind (https://www.thetimes.co.

This is also true of the Bachelors degree to a certain extent. With white males this is played out in the media as them lagging behind (https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/white-males-fall-behind-students-university-uk-gcse-a-level-results-2v6b2cc6k https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/white-males-fall-behind-s...) but I think its more of a trend of people realising the earning potential of jobs that don't require a degree e.g. plumbing, welding etc.

syshum 5y ago
There is also the fact that many of the traditional jobs that required a standard BS have become over saturated lower the pay for those jobs. While at the same time the push by public schools to send every child to univeristy meant skilled trades suffered from low talent pool driving up wages in those markets. This is a re-balance, and honestly employers need to be look at their positions that traditional they want a degree for, middle management, some IT roles, and other "information worker" roles to take a hard look if those positions really do need a degree. I suspect no...
chmsky00 5y ago
Which is a side effect of educated workers demanding higher wages. Trickle down is purposely built into the political economy. Carmack was recently highlighted for saying it’s easier to educate a doer than motivate the educated. Frankly that almost feels like a nice of way of saying less educated have questionable negotiating skills. I can be busy collecting fractions of cents or lazy and earn more in an office doing data entry, not unstopping toilets. History has shown us a whole lot of those “get er done” programmers and projects just made fragile messes we had to babysit later. If we’re busy “doing” we aren’t negotiating social progress. The goal isn’t perfect mind control, just to persuade folks to move along.
- refenestrator 5y ago
  Plenty of overengineered projects became fragile messes as well, it's hard. You need to actively break some subset of "best practices" on any given project.
  - gfody 5y ago
    only experience can save you from making a mess

syshum 5y ago

There is also the fact that many of the traditional jobs that required a standard BS have become over saturated lower the pay for those jobs. While at the same time the push by public schools to send every child to univeristy meant skilled trades suffered from low talent pool driving up wages in those markets. This is a re-balance, and honestly employers need to be look at their positions that traditional they want a degree for, middle management, some IT roles, and other "information worker" roles to take a hard look if those positions really do need a degree. I suspect no...

chmsky00 5y ago

Which is a side effect of educated workers demanding higher wages. Trickle down is purposely built into the political economy. Carmack was recently highlighted for saying it’s easier to educate a doer than motivate the educated. Frankly that almost feels like a nice of way of saying less educated have questionable negotiating skills. I can be busy collecting fractions of cents or lazy and earn more in an office doing data entry, not unstopping toilets. History has shown us a whole lot of those “get er done” programmers and projects just made fragile messes we had to babysit later. If we’re busy “doing” we aren’t negotiating social progress. The goal isn’t perfect mind control, just to persuade folks to move along.

refenestrator 5y ago
Plenty of overengineered projects became fragile messes as well, it's hard. You need to actively break some subset of "best practices" on any given project.
- gfody 5y ago
  only experience can save you from making a mess