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> If side-effects like those were at all common it would come out What do you think of slide 11 from https://www.skirsch.com/covid/All.pdf https://www.skirsch.

> If side-effects like those were at all common it would come out What do you think of slide 11 from https://www.skirsch.com/covid/All.pdf https://www.skirsch.com/covid/All.pdf ? VAERS is known to be vastly underreported. Kirsch calculates using various conservative methods that the underreporting factor for the COVID vaccines may be about 41. But everyone hates guesswork like that, for good reason. VAERS is undoubtedly very noisy. So what do you think of slide 27 from that same presentation, in which Peter Schirmacher says 30-40% of the 40 people he autopsied died of the vaccine? https://www.sueddeutsche.de/wissen/wissenschaft-heidelberg-chef-pathologe-pocht-auf-mehr-obduktionen-von-geimpften-dpa.urn-newsml-dpa-com-20090101-210801-99-647273 https://www.sueddeutsche.de/wissen/wissenschaft-heidelberg-c...

suzzer99 5y ago
VAERS data has been massively misconstrued and reported completely out of context by anti-vaxxers with an agenda and often profit motive for doing so. Here's a good thread about VAERS data and how it's being misused: https://twitter.com/dhmontgomery/status/1432419761703596033 https://twitter.com/dhmontgomery/status/1432419761703596033 All VAERS does is say a person got sick or died after taking a vaccine. It's unverified. It doesn't say if the person was already sick. It doesn't try to ascribe cause. From their own definition: "information on unverified reports of adverse events (illnesses, health problems and/or symptoms) following immunization with US-licensed vaccines." When 200M people get a vaccine, there are going to be some coincidences. The slide you reference is a perfect example of misuse of VAERS. Of course deaths following (not necessarily because of) vaccinations are going to be higher than previous years when you're vaccinating 200 million people at once, many of them old and sick. Just use common sense. Creating a dramatic chart to compare deaths following vaccinations during a global pandemic and vaccination drive vs. previous normal years is nonsense, and just proves that the author of the slide is an extremely biased source. It's pure emotion-tugging sophistry aimed at a non-expert audience who doesn't understand the data. Here's an actual source on the safety of the vaccine: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2110475 https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2110475 VAERS has been completely warped to fit an agenda - often promulgated at the top by snake-oil salesmen who make money from eyeballs or bogus supplements, or by state actors trying to sow discord. https://www.webmd.com/brain/autism/news/20110111/mmr-doctor-planned-make-millions-journal-claims https://www.webmd.com/brain/autism/news/20110111/mmr-doctor-... 700k people, 1 in 500, are dead from covid in this country. Even if all 700 of those deaths in VAAERS were from the vaccine, and VAERS was 40x underreported, (which in no way am I conceding either) that's still several orders of magnitude less than the risk from the virus itself. And that's not even considering long covid, another item anti-vaxxers always ignore. https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/91270 https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/91270 Are other pathologists reporting similar findings? In the article you posted it says they don't agree with him. Why are you picking one voice out of the entire global pathology community to amplify and believe? Personally I'd rather stick to the overwhelming consensus of the world's top scientists and virologists, and 96% of doctors, on the matter. https://www.ama-assn.org/press-center/press-releases/ama-survey-shows-over-96-doctors-fully-vaccinated-against-covid-19 https://www.ama-assn.org/press-center/press-releases/ama-sur... If there was really some big coverup involving life and death issues, I have faith a significant enough number of true experts would come forward to make the mainstream media, or even fox news, instead of just a few random sketchy websites.

suzzer99 5y ago

VAERS data has been massively misconstrued and reported completely out of context by anti-vaxxers with an agenda and often profit motive for doing so. Here's a good thread about VAERS data and how it's being misused: https://twitter.com/dhmontgomery/status/1432419761703596033 https://twitter.com/dhmontgomery/status/1432419761703596033 All VAERS does is say a person got sick or died after taking a vaccine. It's unverified. It doesn't say if the person was already sick. It doesn't try to ascribe cause. From their own definition: "information on unverified reports of adverse events (illnesses, health problems and/or symptoms) following immunization with US-licensed vaccines." When 200M people get a vaccine, there are going to be some coincidences. The slide you reference is a perfect example of misuse of VAERS. Of course deaths following (not necessarily because of) vaccinations are going to be higher than previous years when you're vaccinating 200 million people at once, many of them old and sick. Just use common sense. Creating a dramatic chart to compare deaths following vaccinations during a global pandemic and vaccination drive vs. previous normal years is nonsense, and just proves that the author of the slide is an extremely biased source. It's pure emotion-tugging sophistry aimed at a non-expert audience who doesn't understand the data. Here's an actual source on the safety of the vaccine: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2110475 https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2110475 VAERS has been completely warped to fit an agenda - often promulgated at the top by snake-oil salesmen who make money from eyeballs or bogus supplements, or by state actors trying to sow discord. https://www.webmd.com/brain/autism/news/20110111/mmr-doctor-planned-make-millions-journal-claims https://www.webmd.com/brain/autism/news/20110111/mmr-doctor-... 700k people, 1 in 500, are dead from covid in this country. Even if all 700 of those deaths in VAAERS were from the vaccine, and VAERS was 40x underreported, (which in no way am I conceding either) that's still several orders of magnitude less than the risk from the virus itself. And that's not even considering long covid, another item anti-vaxxers always ignore. https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/91270 https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/91270 Are other pathologists reporting similar findings? In the article you posted it says they don't agree with him. Why are you picking one voice out of the entire global pathology community to amplify and believe? Personally I'd rather stick to the overwhelming consensus of the world's top scientists and virologists, and 96% of doctors, on the matter. https://www.ama-assn.org/press-center/press-releases/ama-survey-shows-over-96-doctors-fully-vaccinated-against-covid-19 https://www.ama-assn.org/press-center/press-releases/ama-sur... If there was really some big coverup involving life and death issues, I have faith a significant enough number of true experts would come forward to make the mainstream media, or even fox news, instead of just a few random sketchy websites.