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>My puzzle is why don't we? We are. >What's preventing the rapid and widespread application of ecological knowledge and practice? Nothing. It's happening. In

>My puzzle is why don't we? We are. >What's preventing the rapid and widespread application of ecological knowledge and practice? Nothing. It's happening. In so many ways. It's just that it looks different than you think it should. Half of the links you put up there are failed experiments. And it's not hard to imagine why, an Integral Urban House in Amazonian Brazil? These people are poor and just trying to feed their families. In fact I have a hard time envisioning any of these approaches working outside of relatively lush geographies nestled in wealthy countries with a deep store of knowledge and the culture to support adroit changes in near and long term policy. How many places in the world does such an intersection of circumstance occur? Very few.

carapace 5y ago
> > What's preventing the rapid and widespread application of ecological knowledge and practice? > Nothing. It's happening. In so many ways. It's just that it looks different than you think it should. So what does it look like? Seriously, lay it on me friend, I'd love to discover that I'm just out of the loop. > Half of the links you put up there are failed experiments. I beg to differ. Gabe Brown's farm isn't a "failed experiment"; Village Homes was sold out before it was finished being built, it still exists, and there's a waiting list to get in; Geoff Lawton is very successful, he has projects all over the world and hundreds of students (e.g. "Greening the Desert" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VGHoxpYlWQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VGHoxpYlWQ ); Robert and Robyn Guyton’s "amazing 23-year-old food forest" isn't a "failed experiment"; so what are you on about? > And it's not hard to imagine why, an Integral Urban House in Amazonian Brazil? I'm not sure what the eventual fate of the Integral Urban House was (for all I know it's still there) but it was certainly not a "failed experiment" either. It showcased working patterns. As for transplanting it to Amazonian Brazil as-is, that doesn't even make sense, it's an urban house, eh? > These people are poor and just trying to feed their families. In fact I have a hard time envisioning any of these approaches working outside of relatively lush geographies nestled in wealthy countries with a deep store of knowledge and the culture to support adroit changes in near and long term policy. Actually, folks in Brazil are all over it: Ernst Götsch's Syntropic agriculture (he's originally from Switzerland but he's living and working in Brazil now.) https://agendagotsch.com/en/what-is-syntropic-farming/ https://agendagotsch.com/en/what-is-syntropic-farming/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ST9NyHf09M https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ST9NyHf09M Here's a place called Epicentro Dalva in Brazil https://epicentrodalva.com.br/ https://epicentrodalva.com.br/ "Successionnal Agroforestry at Epicentro Dalva - Karin, Brazil"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPR7wyhdPkI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPR7wyhdPkI Here's a DDG search link for "brazil permaculture" if you want to find out more: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=brazil+permaculture&atb=v60-1&ia=web https://duckduckgo.com/?q=brazil+permaculture&atb=v60-1&ia=w... And if you're talking about the indigenous peoples of Brazil there's a lot of evidence that they were already practicing what we now call "food forests". In other words, they were (and some still are) already living in environmentally harmonious ways. If they hadn't been then there wouldn't have been forest there to destroy, eh? Anyway, my point isn't that this ecological revolution isn't happening, my question is why isn't it happening faster, since living in harmony with Nature is both fulfilling and more economical?

carapace 5y ago

> > What's preventing the rapid and widespread application of ecological knowledge and practice? > Nothing. It's happening. In so many ways. It's just that it looks different than you think it should. So what does it look like? Seriously, lay it on me friend, I'd love to discover that I'm just out of the loop. > Half of the links you put up there are failed experiments. I beg to differ. Gabe Brown's farm isn't a "failed experiment"; Village Homes was sold out before it was finished being built, it still exists, and there's a waiting list to get in; Geoff Lawton is very successful, he has projects all over the world and hundreds of students (e.g. "Greening the Desert" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VGHoxpYlWQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VGHoxpYlWQ ); Robert and Robyn Guyton’s "amazing 23-year-old food forest" isn't a "failed experiment"; so what are you on about? > And it's not hard to imagine why, an Integral Urban House in Amazonian Brazil? I'm not sure what the eventual fate of the Integral Urban House was (for all I know it's still there) but it was certainly not a "failed experiment" either. It showcased working patterns. As for transplanting it to Amazonian Brazil as-is, that doesn't even make sense, it's an urban house, eh? > These people are poor and just trying to feed their families. In fact I have a hard time envisioning any of these approaches working outside of relatively lush geographies nestled in wealthy countries with a deep store of knowledge and the culture to support adroit changes in near and long term policy. Actually, folks in Brazil are all over it: Ernst Götsch's Syntropic agriculture (he's originally from Switzerland but he's living and working in Brazil now.) https://agendagotsch.com/en/what-is-syntropic-farming/ https://agendagotsch.com/en/what-is-syntropic-farming/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ST9NyHf09M https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ST9NyHf09M Here's a place called Epicentro Dalva in Brazil https://epicentrodalva.com.br/ https://epicentrodalva.com.br/ "Successionnal Agroforestry at Epicentro Dalva - Karin, Brazil"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPR7wyhdPkI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPR7wyhdPkI Here's a DDG search link for "brazil permaculture" if you want to find out more: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=brazil+permaculture&atb=v60-1&ia=web https://duckduckgo.com/?q=brazil+permaculture&atb=v60-1&ia=w... And if you're talking about the indigenous peoples of Brazil there's a lot of evidence that they were already practicing what we now call "food forests". In other words, they were (and some still are) already living in environmentally harmonious ways. If they hadn't been then there wouldn't have been forest there to destroy, eh? Anyway, my point isn't that this ecological revolution isn't happening, my question is why isn't it happening faster, since living in harmony with Nature is both fulfilling and more economical?