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> The result is, healthy young people who almost certainly cannot benefit from taking the vaccine are being pressured to take it, suffering extreme adverse side

by mullen 5y ago

> The result is, healthy young people who almost certainly cannot benefit from taking the vaccine are being pressured to take it, suffering extreme adverse side effects, and being told that they're just psych cases (suffering from anxiety or something similar) The above post is the exact reason why we are never getting out of this Pandemic. Just pure misinformation being passed as facts. Young people can die from COVID but they won't die from COVID vaccine shots. Once they are vaccinated, they are much less likely to spread COVID, which is the real reason we want the young to get vaccinated. So they can stop spreading it. Individual cases of people having strong reactions to the COVID vaccine is expected and not harmful to the individuals. I fail to understand why anti-vaxxers keep posting this kind of information. They are just telling us what we have already been told we can expect. Also, if you think having a strong reaction to the COVID vaccine was bad, wait until you get COVID because it just might kill you.

HamburgerEmoji 5y ago
> Young people can die from COVID but they won't die from COVID vaccine shots. https://www.ibtimes.sg/michigan-teen-dies-sleep-3-days-after-receiving-pfizer-vaccine-early-autopsy-finds-boys-heart-58621 https://www.ibtimes.sg/michigan-teen-dies-sleep-3-days-after... If we accept that this story is not fabricated, this person was previously healthy. Myocarditis suspected. Slides 62 and 63 of https://www.skirsch.com/covid/All.pdf https://www.skirsch.com/covid/All.pdf indicate the vaccines can cause myocarditis, especially in young men. High troponin levels is the alleged indicator, from https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2109975 https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2109975 Another victim, aged 18. Clotting suspected, as suggested by Sucharit Bhakdi. https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/italy-halts-astrazeneca-vaccine-under-60s-after-teenager-dies-2021-06-11/ https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/italy-halts-astrazeneca... Another victim, aged 16. Pulmonary embolism. Does this look like a forged/noise report to you (honest question, no snark)? https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E4urslGWEAM_7c3?format=jpg&name=large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E4urslGWEAM_7c3?format=jpg&name=... Another victim, aged 15. Cardiac failure. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E0X3XuqXoAAPX2N?format=jpg&name=medium https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E0X3XuqXoAAPX2N?format=jpg&name=... Another victim, aged 13. More heart problems. https://medalerts.org/vaersdb/findfield.php?IDNUMBER=1505250 https://medalerts.org/vaersdb/findfield.php?IDNUMBER=1505250
naasking 5y ago
> Young people can die from COVID but they won't die from COVID vaccine shots. [...] Individual cases of people having strong reactions to the COVID vaccine is expected and not harmful to the individuals. This is misinformation. The other poster already pointed out how vaccines are linked to myocarditis in young and otherwise healthy people, and a recent study pointed out that this is at least partly is linked to how the vaccines are administered (no aspiration->spike protein injected into blood vessels->heart damage). Stop claiming that the vaccines cannot be harmful. This only reduces trust in science when evidence of harm mounts, because interventions almost always cause some kind of harm. The question is always how much harm will come from the intervention vs. the probability of getting infected and suffering complications from it. The result of this calculation is not at all obvious, and the widespread push for interventions and damn the consequences is stupid.
kansface 5y ago
> Young people can die from COVID but they won't die from COVID vaccine shots. The actual numbers seem to be that otherwise healthy teenage boys are more likely to die from the vaccine than from COVID - to be clear, both numbers are very low. Trustworthy stats are hard to come by in any case given that everyone is pushing an agenda.

by mullen 5y ago

HamburgerEmoji 5y ago

> Young people can die from COVID but they won't die from COVID vaccine shots. https://www.ibtimes.sg/michigan-teen-dies-sleep-3-days-after-receiving-pfizer-vaccine-early-autopsy-finds-boys-heart-58621 https://www.ibtimes.sg/michigan-teen-dies-sleep-3-days-after... If we accept that this story is not fabricated, this person was previously healthy. Myocarditis suspected. Slides 62 and 63 of https://www.skirsch.com/covid/All.pdf https://www.skirsch.com/covid/All.pdf indicate the vaccines can cause myocarditis, especially in young men. High troponin levels is the alleged indicator, from https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2109975 https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2109975 Another victim, aged 18. Clotting suspected, as suggested by Sucharit Bhakdi. https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/italy-halts-astrazeneca-vaccine-under-60s-after-teenager-dies-2021-06-11/ https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/italy-halts-astrazeneca... Another victim, aged 16. Pulmonary embolism. Does this look like a forged/noise report to you (honest question, no snark)? https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E4urslGWEAM_7c3?format=jpg&name=large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E4urslGWEAM_7c3?format=jpg&name=... Another victim, aged 15. Cardiac failure. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E0X3XuqXoAAPX2N?format=jpg&name=medium https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E0X3XuqXoAAPX2N?format=jpg&name=... Another victim, aged 13. More heart problems. https://medalerts.org/vaersdb/findfield.php?IDNUMBER=1505250 https://medalerts.org/vaersdb/findfield.php?IDNUMBER=1505250

naasking 5y ago

> Young people can die from COVID but they won't die from COVID vaccine shots. [...] Individual cases of people having strong reactions to the COVID vaccine is expected and not harmful to the individuals. This is misinformation. The other poster already pointed out how vaccines are linked to myocarditis in young and otherwise healthy people, and a recent study pointed out that this is at least partly is linked to how the vaccines are administered (no aspiration->spike protein injected into blood vessels->heart damage). Stop claiming that the vaccines cannot be harmful. This only reduces trust in science when evidence of harm mounts, because interventions almost always cause some kind of harm. The question is always how much harm will come from the intervention vs. the probability of getting infected and suffering complications from it. The result of this calculation is not at all obvious, and the widespread push for interventions and damn the consequences is stupid.

kansface 5y ago

> Young people can die from COVID but they won't die from COVID vaccine shots. The actual numbers seem to be that otherwise healthy teenage boys are more likely to die from the vaccine than from COVID - to be clear, both numbers are very low. Trustworthy stats are hard to come by in any case given that everyone is pushing an agenda.