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It's too bad we couldn't arrange it so that one vaccine could be the "Trump vaccine" that Republicans could get and another could be the "Fauci vaccine" for Dem

It's too bad we couldn't arrange it so that one vaccine could be the "Trump vaccine" that Republicans could get and another could be the "Fauci vaccine" for Democrats. Then people could express their political affiliations in their medical choices but still get vaccinated. There were a lot of Democratic politicians talking about not trusting rushed vaccines a year ago and if that could have focused on specific vaccines and kept going maybe we'd be in a better place today with regards to vaccinations.

sterlind 5y ago
My partner is ex-Christian Scientist (a faith-healing cult that doesn't believe in disease or medicine.) Zir whole family finally relented and got vaccinated, but they all got J+J. I don't know why that vaccine in particular (maybe because it's single-shot, so they only have to deal with hypocrisy once?) but that vaccine is popular with that cohort.
- __blockcipher__ 5y ago
  Just out of curiosity- they used to be a christian scientist and now they’re not and go by xe/zir style pronouns? That’s quite a journey if so. As for J&J, yes it’s generally the fact that it’s one and done so it feels less risky to people that didn’t want to get vaccinated. Then there’s the whole mRNA thing as well.
  - InitialLastName 5y ago
    It could just be GP's preferred way of anonymizing their SO without having to resort to the dreaded singular specific "they". Call it light-weight anonymization to make it more difficult to be casually doxxed.
  - sterlind 5y ago
    Zie grew up in CS, but was queer, and CS (at least back then) was very anti-LGBT. Principia, the CS university, would expel openly gay students and fire openly gay professors, and zir parents were homophobic too. The mom would listen to testimonials of people's "healings" of their same-sex attraction. That made zir not fit in, and accelerated zir dropping out of CS and discovering the LGBT community, and non-binary identity.
    - __blockcipher__ 5y ago
      Thanks for that context. I learned a bit about something new :)
- speeder 5y ago
  I wanted JJ because not mRNA and is accepted in several countries. The JJ mechanism of action is better understood and less risky, in my view at least it is more acceptable for emergency approval.
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Buttons840 5y ago
Most of the vaccine hesitancy started as made up Facebook posts. Make a video, draw a contrast between the vaccines and next thing you know millions might be repeating whatever you made up. It might actually have some benefit, but furthers harmful patterns. I know people who have expressed interest in new nasal vaccines which may or may not come, I think they know they need a vaccine, but are just looking for some way to get one without admiting they've been wrong all this time.
- loonster 5y ago
  The vaccine hesitancy started out with the entire media, Biden and Fauci saying an effective vaccine will be years away. Meanwhile Trump is out hawking the warpspeed vaccine like it will save the world. A week after the election and the narrative flips. I don't buy the first model year of a car, very rarely take an on patent drug, and I won't inject myself with a medical device before the long term studies have been completed.
  - tragictrash 5y ago
    What are these long term studies you speak of?
    - loonster 5y ago
      I'm not aware of any currently, but that doesn't mean someone isn't doing one. At the very least, there is likely several cohort studies going on right now that will capture some useful data. There is no substitute for time. Very few people have had the vaccine for more that 1 year. None have had it more than 5.
      - tragictrash 5y ago
        Interesting, so if you were to define quantifiable criteria for when/what would make you feel safe, what would that be? Not trolling here, I'm genuinely interested and thank you for sharing.

sterlind 5y ago

My partner is ex-Christian Scientist (a faith-healing cult that doesn't believe in disease or medicine.) Zir whole family finally relented and got vaccinated, but they all got J+J. I don't know why that vaccine in particular (maybe because it's single-shot, so they only have to deal with hypocrisy once?) but that vaccine is popular with that cohort.

__blockcipher__ 5y ago
Just out of curiosity- they used to be a christian scientist and now they’re not and go by xe/zir style pronouns? That’s quite a journey if so. As for J&J, yes it’s generally the fact that it’s one and done so it feels less risky to people that didn’t want to get vaccinated. Then there’s the whole mRNA thing as well.
- InitialLastName 5y ago
  It could just be GP's preferred way of anonymizing their SO without having to resort to the dreaded singular specific "they". Call it light-weight anonymization to make it more difficult to be casually doxxed.
- sterlind 5y ago
  Zie grew up in CS, but was queer, and CS (at least back then) was very anti-LGBT. Principia, the CS university, would expel openly gay students and fire openly gay professors, and zir parents were homophobic too. The mom would listen to testimonials of people's "healings" of their same-sex attraction. That made zir not fit in, and accelerated zir dropping out of CS and discovering the LGBT community, and non-binary identity.
  - __blockcipher__ 5y ago
    Thanks for that context. I learned a bit about something new :)
speeder 5y ago
I wanted JJ because not mRNA and is accepted in several countries. The JJ mechanism of action is better understood and less risky, in my view at least it is more acceptable for emergency approval.
- deleted 5y ago
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Buttons840 5y ago

Most of the vaccine hesitancy started as made up Facebook posts. Make a video, draw a contrast between the vaccines and next thing you know millions might be repeating whatever you made up. It might actually have some benefit, but furthers harmful patterns. I know people who have expressed interest in new nasal vaccines which may or may not come, I think they know they need a vaccine, but are just looking for some way to get one without admiting they've been wrong all this time.

loonster 5y ago
The vaccine hesitancy started out with the entire media, Biden and Fauci saying an effective vaccine will be years away. Meanwhile Trump is out hawking the warpspeed vaccine like it will save the world. A week after the election and the narrative flips. I don't buy the first model year of a car, very rarely take an on patent drug, and I won't inject myself with a medical device before the long term studies have been completed.
- tragictrash 5y ago
  What are these long term studies you speak of?
  - loonster 5y ago
    I'm not aware of any currently, but that doesn't mean someone isn't doing one. At the very least, there is likely several cohort studies going on right now that will capture some useful data. There is no substitute for time. Very few people have had the vaccine for more that 1 year. None have had it more than 5.
    - tragictrash 5y ago
      Interesting, so if you were to define quantifiable criteria for when/what would make you feel safe, what would that be? Not trolling here, I'm genuinely interested and thank you for sharing.