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> and there's no significant barrier to compliance Imagine that you have two part time jobs, and you are just barely covering rent and other expenses. If you g

> and there's no significant barrier to compliance Imagine that you have two part time jobs, and you are just barely covering rent and other expenses. If you get vaccinated, you might have to miss a day or two. As a result, your boss might cut your hours or just fire you outright. Is that not a significant barrier? Who would you think is more likely to be in this kind of situation?

acdha 5y ago
Again, you have to look at the odds: that person is far more likely to miss work from getting COVID than getting vaccinated — very few people have significant reactions requiring multiple days off of work — and most employers are allowing leave above the legal minimum. Also, let's not forget the context of this thread: a quote about New York business' vaccination status checks. That person barely getting by working two part-time jobs probably isn't spending their time on the indoor dining, bars, gyms, etc. where that requirement applies: https://www1.nyc.gov/site/doh/covid/covid-19-vaccines-keytonyc.page https://www1.nyc.gov/site/doh/covid/covid-19-vaccines-keyton... Note also that they required to be allowed up to 8 hours of paid sick leave to get vaccinated: https://portal.311.nyc.gov/article/?kanumber=KA-02909 https://portal.311.nyc.gov/article/?kanumber=KA-02909 So to the extent that there's a genuine concern here, I would think it would make more sense to focus on places which have a combination of a vaccination mandate but not a leave requirement. I would be surprised if that was common since typically the politicians opposed to one of those policies would also oppose the other.
- ifyoubuildit 5y ago
  > Again, you have to look at the odds: that person is far more likely to miss work from getting COVID than getting vaccinated — very few people have significant reactions requiring multiple days off of work — and most employers are allowing leave above the legal minimum It's not you or I that have to look at the odds though, it's our hypothetical person. Will they make the same calculation we would? The point about mandated sick leave is a good one, definitely helps. > Also, let's not forget the context of this thread: a quote about New York business' vaccination status checks. That person barely getting by working two part-time jobs probably isn't spending their time on the indoor dining, bars, gyms, etc. where that requirement applies: I don't think I can get behind this part. Maybe somebody takes them out on a date once in a while, their friends want to buy them a drink, they need a quick bite on the way to work. Little things that help make that kind of life a little more bearable. We can't just say well they couldn't afford these things anyway, so what does it matter if we don't allow them in.

acdha 5y ago

Again, you have to look at the odds: that person is far more likely to miss work from getting COVID than getting vaccinated — very few people have significant reactions requiring multiple days off of work — and most employers are allowing leave above the legal minimum. Also, let's not forget the context of this thread: a quote about New York business' vaccination status checks. That person barely getting by working two part-time jobs probably isn't spending their time on the indoor dining, bars, gyms, etc. where that requirement applies: https://www1.nyc.gov/site/doh/covid/covid-19-vaccines-keytonyc.page https://www1.nyc.gov/site/doh/covid/covid-19-vaccines-keyton... Note also that they required to be allowed up to 8 hours of paid sick leave to get vaccinated: https://portal.311.nyc.gov/article/?kanumber=KA-02909 https://portal.311.nyc.gov/article/?kanumber=KA-02909 So to the extent that there's a genuine concern here, I would think it would make more sense to focus on places which have a combination of a vaccination mandate but not a leave requirement. I would be surprised if that was common since typically the politicians opposed to one of those policies would also oppose the other.

ifyoubuildit 5y ago
> Again, you have to look at the odds: that person is far more likely to miss work from getting COVID than getting vaccinated — very few people have significant reactions requiring multiple days off of work — and most employers are allowing leave above the legal minimum It's not you or I that have to look at the odds though, it's our hypothetical person. Will they make the same calculation we would? The point about mandated sick leave is a good one, definitely helps. > Also, let's not forget the context of this thread: a quote about New York business' vaccination status checks. That person barely getting by working two part-time jobs probably isn't spending their time on the indoor dining, bars, gyms, etc. where that requirement applies: I don't think I can get behind this part. Maybe somebody takes them out on a date once in a while, their friends want to buy them a drink, they need a quick bite on the way to work. Little things that help make that kind of life a little more bearable. We can't just say well they couldn't afford these things anyway, so what does it matter if we don't allow them in.