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It is not a partisan point in favor of one course of action or another. Though not surprising that it is read as one. We have barely started to understand long

It is not a partisan point in favor of one course of action or another. Though not surprising that it is read as one. We have barely started to understand long term implications of covid infection, mRNA / classic vaccines or various treatments. For example, we are almost a year after mass vaccination campaigns started. We still don't know if/how many boosters are required for optimal vaccine performance. Nobody can cite 5-year effectiveness number for mRNA vaccines, which are by far the most popular vaccines in the West. This should raise red flags to any critically thinking person. By necessity, we are operating in "faith" mode. And that's ok. Often times faith is a good enough action guide.

gfodor 5y ago
We are operating on faith mode, but authoritarians are treating the situation increasingly as though we aren't. If you have to take a drug that still be proven to hurt specific subpopulations (as any drug could fairly be expected to in eg phase 4 trials) to get a job or go to the store, something is very wrong.
nuerow 5y ago
> We have barely started to understand long term implications of covid infection (...) I fail to see the point of your remark, as it reads like a non-sequitur. I mean, the discussion was about the difference between those who listen to public health experts and the anti-intellectual covid denialists/anti-masks/anti-vaxers. Where do epistomological arguments lend any credence to anti-intellectual militants that try to counter science and public health safeguards with conspiracy theories?
- angelzen 5y ago
  What is the 5 year effectiveness of the Pfizer covid vaccine? Please break it down by infection / symptomatic disease / hospitalization / death, then by age group, then compare it with a sizable unvaccinated control group.
  - gfodor 5y ago
    Also, what subpopulations in 5 years will be advised not to take the vaccine (such as those with certain chronic illnesses, pregnancy etc), or do so with specific safety protocols, as is the case for other vaccines given the long term understanding we have gleaned.

gfodor 5y ago

We are operating on faith mode, but authoritarians are treating the situation increasingly as though we aren't. If you have to take a drug that still be proven to hurt specific subpopulations (as any drug could fairly be expected to in eg phase 4 trials) to get a job or go to the store, something is very wrong.

nuerow 5y ago

> We have barely started to understand long term implications of covid infection (...) I fail to see the point of your remark, as it reads like a non-sequitur. I mean, the discussion was about the difference between those who listen to public health experts and the anti-intellectual covid denialists/anti-masks/anti-vaxers. Where do epistomological arguments lend any credence to anti-intellectual militants that try to counter science and public health safeguards with conspiracy theories?

angelzen 5y ago
What is the 5 year effectiveness of the Pfizer covid vaccine? Please break it down by infection / symptomatic disease / hospitalization / death, then by age group, then compare it with a sizable unvaccinated control group.
- gfodor 5y ago
  Also, what subpopulations in 5 years will be advised not to take the vaccine (such as those with certain chronic illnesses, pregnancy etc), or do so with specific safety protocols, as is the case for other vaccines given the long term understanding we have gleaned.