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> Thus, the device cannot considered a consumer-ready product. Right off the store page. Why are people in the comments expecting to daily drive this? You buy
by _v7gu 5y ago
> Thus, the device cannot considered a consumer-ready product.
Right off the store page. Why are people in the comments expecting to daily drive this? You buy this for the excitement and sense of accomplishment of actually managing to run things.
- int_19h 5y agoIn fact, it seems to be impossible to pre-order PinePhone Pro as a consumer right now. If you click on the button to pre-order, this is what you get: https://preorder.pine64.org/#/pinephone-pro-dev https://preorder.pine64.org/#/pinephone-pro-dev
- CameronNemo 5y agoPerhaps because it is at a similar price point as a Fairphone 3, which you can daily drive.
- ocdtrekkie 5y agoBut the Fairphone 3 is running a hostile OS that has already done most of the work, and the PinePhone is still very much an early development platform.
- CameronNemo 5y agoWhat is hostile about the OS? Early development or not, the rk3399 is a 5 year old SoC.
- ocdtrekkie 5y agoAn advertising company has a root-level backdoor to the device?
- CameronNemo 5y agoYou should be able to run degoogled android on the device.
- ocdtrekkie 5y agoIn theory, sure. However, having done that dance before, the limitations between a degoogled Android (basically open source apps only, since F-Droid doesn't allow proprietary apps, and nearly all proprietary apps depend on Play Services APIs anyways), you end up with something less useful than a PinePhone. And at the end of the day, Android was written by Google for Google to serve Google. Trying to use a phone as your daily driver running developed by your enemy is hardly a way to get through life. Just get a phone that doesn't hate you. Like a PinePhone. Or an iPhone, which has all sort of issues but at least gives you a reasonably private and secure device at the expense of gobs of money.
- CameronNemo 5y agoMicroG may still ping google services sometimes, but it is not a root level backdoor into my phone. Most proprietary apps I've tried work. Bank app, dating apps, slack, visual voicemail, venmo.
- summm 5y agoAnd to add insult to injury, you as the user do not get to have a root account. Yes, there are ways to get one, but even the "alternative distributions" go out of their way to make it extra tedious for you. I would for example expect a built-in menu in Lineageos settings called "enable root" that does what it says without further steps. Instead I need do install some 3rd party stuff from somewhere, get the bootloader image from somewhere, patch it, use a PC to install that image... for each update!
- Fnoord 5y agoYou can install another OS if you want. LineageOS, for example (with or without OpenGApps). Or /e/. You can even buy a FP3(+) with /e/. They sell it. Or other OSes. Or you wait for FP4 which is out 25 October. Fairphone 3(+)/4 don't have killswitches though.
- seba_dos1 5y agoThey're all just various distributions of the same OS. Personally I'm just not interested in anything Android.
- Fnoord 5y agoYou can also run non-AOSP based OSes on Fairphone. Its just that people like and require backwards compatibility.
- SahAssar 5y agoIf you're talking about /e/, that's essentially a android fork. It takes away a lot of the tracking, sure, but it's still android.
- Fnoord 5y agoI'm not talking specifically about /e/ (though I would recommend looking into it, if you want privacy and Android backwards compatibility). I am talking about the plethora of OSes available otherwise, such as postmarketOS, Mobian, Ubuntu Touch, SailfishOS, etc. It al runs a Linux kernel though, so anyone can pull the 'but its still Linux' card and discussion is over.
- SahAssar 5y agoDo those run or are supported on fairphone? The only thing I found when googling "fairphone4 alternative OS" was mentions of /e/.