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The threats are awful. They should not happen. But it's practically a matter of physics that they're going to happen under the circumstances. The circumstances

The threats are awful. They should not happen. But it's practically a matter of physics that they're going to happen under the circumstances. The circumstances are most likely something like this: the danger of the virus is being overhyped, the dangers of the vaccines are being downplayed, the efficacy of repurposed cheap old drugs including ivermectin is being suppressed for the sake of profits. The result is, healthy young people who almost certainly cannot benefit from taking the vaccine are being pressured to take it, suffering extreme adverse side effects, and being told that they're just psych cases (suffering from anxiety or something similar) Here's one example of thousands: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aebtcTi7EaA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aebtcTi7EaA Healthy young guy, professional athlete, took the vaccine when there was no need for him to. Now he suffers from excruciating pain, has to flop out of bed in the morning to try to gain mobility, almost passes out when he stands up, etc. Here's another example, a guy reporting 25,000 comments about adverse reactions in Israel. This used to be on YouTube, but it was censored there. https://odysee.com/@TheInformer:1/avibarak:1 https://odysee.com/@TheInformer:1/avibarak:1 Here's a doctor in California writing to the FDA and CDC about personally seeing far too many adverse reactions for the official numbers to be correct. https://www.sirillp.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/Letter-Regarding-Covid-19-Vaccine-Injuries-Dr-Patricia-Lee.pdf https://www.sirillp.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/Letter-Re... Slides from a recent presentation on safety signals from VAERS: https://www.skirsch.com/covid/All.pdf https://www.skirsch.com/covid/All.pdf I could go on and on. The point is, people are seeing that things do not add up. The things they're personally seeing and hearing are not matching what they see from the MSM. Nobody likes being lied to. Nobody likes being stonewalled when people are dying. That's where the resentment and anger comes from that fuels the threats. Again, the threats are wrong. But what does any cornered animal eventually do?

titzer 5y ago
> The point is, people are seeing that things do not add up. That's because they are ridiculous. Side effects from the vaccine are caused by the body's immune response, because the vaccine literally only contains code for the spike protein. Guess what happens when you actually get infected with the live virus? An immune response. It's about 99.9% likely that the people who had such adverse reactions to the vaccine would have had as bad (or worse!) reactions to being infected with COVID. Not to mention the actual damage caused by the virus! The basic fact escaping them has turned this into a giant theatrical production in service of political ends....like everything these days.
- fouric 5y ago
  > the vaccine literally only contains code for the spike protein Then does that mean that the spike protein RNA is itself capable of causing adverse reactions? The J&J vaccine is associated with an increased risk of TTS. If that vaccine "literally only contains code for the spike protein" then what else could cause it? (the rest of your comment is spot-on, I just don't get what's going on with this specific part)
  - titzer 5y ago
    The spike protein cannot self-replicate because it is not complete enough, so it can't create a runaway infection. There is only so much mRNA coding for so many copies of that protein, and that mRNA is quickly broken down. I am not a molecular biologist, but I believe the spike protein is not complete enough to actually even penetrate cells, so I don't think it can even cause any kind of cell damage.
    - fouric 5y ago
      Right, I'm not saying (nor do I believe) that the spike-protein can self-replicate - but that's not the way that an alien substance can damage the body. Again, it's all fine and dandy to say what cannot happen, but you still haven't explained what could then be causing the blood clots.
- HamburgerEmoji 5y ago
  > Side effects from the vaccine are caused by the body's immune response Here's another reason side effects could happen: https://odysee.com/@breadcrumbs.2.satori:2/Dr-Sucharit-Bhakdi-Danger:e https://odysee.com/@breadcrumbs.2.satori:2/Dr-Sucharit-Bhakd... i.e., spike proteins emerging from normally smooth blood cells, protruding out into the vessels, causing clotting. This idea has apparently been vindicated by D-dimer tests.
suzzer99 5y ago
That Patricia Lee letter is all kinds of shady. What vaccine were the patients given, and how soon before their symptoms? She only waited 7 days between sending a letter to the CDC and getting a law firm who specialized in anti-vaxx causes? Some of the details were changed to protect PII? But we should just trust you? Ok. A whole lot of Americans took the vaccine in a very short time frame. Some people are going to get sick soon after. And of course in every single case, family members will be sure it was caused by the vaccine, because that's how the human brain works. 6.6B doses of vaccine have been given out worldwide. If side-effects like those were at all common it would come out, and they would have come out during the clinical trials.
- HamburgerEmoji 5y ago
  > If side-effects like those were at all common it would come out What do you think of slide 11 from https://www.skirsch.com/covid/All.pdf https://www.skirsch.com/covid/All.pdf ? VAERS is known to be vastly underreported. Kirsch calculates using various conservative methods that the underreporting factor for the COVID vaccines may be about 41. But everyone hates guesswork like that, for good reason. VAERS is undoubtedly very noisy. So what do you think of slide 27 from that same presentation, in which Peter Schirmacher says 30-40% of the 40 people he autopsied died of the vaccine? https://www.sueddeutsche.de/wissen/wissenschaft-heidelberg-chef-pathologe-pocht-auf-mehr-obduktionen-von-geimpften-dpa.urn-newsml-dpa-com-20090101-210801-99-647273 https://www.sueddeutsche.de/wissen/wissenschaft-heidelberg-c...
  - suzzer99 5y ago
    VAERS data has been massively misconstrued and reported completely out of context by anti-vaxxers with an agenda and often profit motive for doing so. Here's a good thread about VAERS data and how it's being misused: https://twitter.com/dhmontgomery/status/1432419761703596033 https://twitter.com/dhmontgomery/status/1432419761703596033 All VAERS does is say a person got sick or died after taking a vaccine. It's unverified. It doesn't say if the person was already sick. It doesn't try to ascribe cause. From their own definition: "information on unverified reports of adverse events (illnesses, health problems and/or symptoms) following immunization with US-licensed vaccines." When 200M people get a vaccine, there are going to be some coincidences. The slide you reference is a perfect example of misuse of VAERS. Of course deaths following (not necessarily because of) vaccinations are going to be higher than previous years when you're vaccinating 200 million people at once, many of them old and sick. Just use common sense. Creating a dramatic chart to compare deaths following vaccinations during a global pandemic and vaccination drive vs. previous normal years is nonsense, and just proves that the author of the slide is an extremely biased source. It's pure emotion-tugging sophistry aimed at a non-expert audience who doesn't understand the data. Here's an actual source on the safety of the vaccine: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2110475 https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2110475 VAERS has been completely warped to fit an agenda - often promulgated at the top by snake-oil salesmen who make money from eyeballs or bogus supplements, or by state actors trying to sow discord. https://www.webmd.com/brain/autism/news/20110111/mmr-doctor-planned-make-millions-journal-claims https://www.webmd.com/brain/autism/news/20110111/mmr-doctor-... 700k people, 1 in 500, are dead from covid in this country. Even if all 700 of those deaths in VAAERS were from the vaccine, and VAERS was 40x underreported, (which in no way am I conceding either) that's still several orders of magnitude less than the risk from the virus itself. And that's not even considering long covid, another item anti-vaxxers always ignore. https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/91270 https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/91270 Are other pathologists reporting similar findings? In the article you posted it says they don't agree with him. Why are you picking one voice out of the entire global pathology community to amplify and believe? Personally I'd rather stick to the overwhelming consensus of the world's top scientists and virologists, and 96% of doctors, on the matter. https://www.ama-assn.org/press-center/press-releases/ama-survey-shows-over-96-doctors-fully-vaccinated-against-covid-19 https://www.ama-assn.org/press-center/press-releases/ama-sur... If there was really some big coverup involving life and death issues, I have faith a significant enough number of true experts would come forward to make the mainstream media, or even fox news, instead of just a few random sketchy websites.
mullen 5y ago
> The result is, healthy young people who almost certainly cannot benefit from taking the vaccine are being pressured to take it, suffering extreme adverse side effects, and being told that they're just psych cases (suffering from anxiety or something similar) The above post is the exact reason why we are never getting out of this Pandemic. Just pure misinformation being passed as facts. Young people can die from COVID but they won't die from COVID vaccine shots. Once they are vaccinated, they are much less likely to spread COVID, which is the real reason we want the young to get vaccinated. So they can stop spreading it. Individual cases of people having strong reactions to the COVID vaccine is expected and not harmful to the individuals. I fail to understand why anti-vaxxers keep posting this kind of information. They are just telling us what we have already been told we can expect. Also, if you think having a strong reaction to the COVID vaccine was bad, wait until you get COVID because it just might kill you.
- HamburgerEmoji 5y ago
  > Young people can die from COVID but they won't die from COVID vaccine shots. https://www.ibtimes.sg/michigan-teen-dies-sleep-3-days-after-receiving-pfizer-vaccine-early-autopsy-finds-boys-heart-58621 https://www.ibtimes.sg/michigan-teen-dies-sleep-3-days-after... If we accept that this story is not fabricated, this person was previously healthy. Myocarditis suspected. Slides 62 and 63 of https://www.skirsch.com/covid/All.pdf https://www.skirsch.com/covid/All.pdf indicate the vaccines can cause myocarditis, especially in young men. High troponin levels is the alleged indicator, from https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2109975 https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2109975 Another victim, aged 18. Clotting suspected, as suggested by Sucharit Bhakdi. https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/italy-halts-astrazeneca-vaccine-under-60s-after-teenager-dies-2021-06-11/ https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/italy-halts-astrazeneca... Another victim, aged 16. Pulmonary embolism. Does this look like a forged/noise report to you (honest question, no snark)? https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E4urslGWEAM_7c3?format=jpg&name=large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E4urslGWEAM_7c3?format=jpg&name=... Another victim, aged 15. Cardiac failure. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E0X3XuqXoAAPX2N?format=jpg&name=medium https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E0X3XuqXoAAPX2N?format=jpg&name=... Another victim, aged 13. More heart problems. https://medalerts.org/vaersdb/findfield.php?IDNUMBER=1505250 https://medalerts.org/vaersdb/findfield.php?IDNUMBER=1505250

titzer 5y ago

> The point is, people are seeing that things do not add up. That's because they are ridiculous. Side effects from the vaccine are caused by the body's immune response, because the vaccine literally only contains code for the spike protein. Guess what happens when you actually get infected with the live virus? An immune response. It's about 99.9% likely that the people who had such adverse reactions to the vaccine would have had as bad (or worse!) reactions to being infected with COVID. Not to mention the actual damage caused by the virus! The basic fact escaping them has turned this into a giant theatrical production in service of political ends....like everything these days.

fouric 5y ago
> the vaccine literally only contains code for the spike protein Then does that mean that the spike protein RNA is itself capable of causing adverse reactions? The J&J vaccine is associated with an increased risk of TTS. If that vaccine "literally only contains code for the spike protein" then what else could cause it? (the rest of your comment is spot-on, I just don't get what's going on with this specific part)
- titzer 5y ago
  The spike protein cannot self-replicate because it is not complete enough, so it can't create a runaway infection. There is only so much mRNA coding for so many copies of that protein, and that mRNA is quickly broken down. I am not a molecular biologist, but I believe the spike protein is not complete enough to actually even penetrate cells, so I don't think it can even cause any kind of cell damage.
  - fouric 5y ago
    Right, I'm not saying (nor do I believe) that the spike-protein can self-replicate - but that's not the way that an alien substance can damage the body. Again, it's all fine and dandy to say what cannot happen, but you still haven't explained what could then be causing the blood clots.
HamburgerEmoji 5y ago
> Side effects from the vaccine are caused by the body's immune response Here's another reason side effects could happen: https://odysee.com/@breadcrumbs.2.satori:2/Dr-Sucharit-Bhakdi-Danger:e https://odysee.com/@breadcrumbs.2.satori:2/Dr-Sucharit-Bhakd... i.e., spike proteins emerging from normally smooth blood cells, protruding out into the vessels, causing clotting. This idea has apparently been vindicated by D-dimer tests.

suzzer99 5y ago

That Patricia Lee letter is all kinds of shady. What vaccine were the patients given, and how soon before their symptoms? She only waited 7 days between sending a letter to the CDC and getting a law firm who specialized in anti-vaxx causes? Some of the details were changed to protect PII? But we should just trust you? Ok. A whole lot of Americans took the vaccine in a very short time frame. Some people are going to get sick soon after. And of course in every single case, family members will be sure it was caused by the vaccine, because that's how the human brain works. 6.6B doses of vaccine have been given out worldwide. If side-effects like those were at all common it would come out, and they would have come out during the clinical trials.

HamburgerEmoji 5y ago
> If side-effects like those were at all common it would come out What do you think of slide 11 from https://www.skirsch.com/covid/All.pdf https://www.skirsch.com/covid/All.pdf ? VAERS is known to be vastly underreported. Kirsch calculates using various conservative methods that the underreporting factor for the COVID vaccines may be about 41. But everyone hates guesswork like that, for good reason. VAERS is undoubtedly very noisy. So what do you think of slide 27 from that same presentation, in which Peter Schirmacher says 30-40% of the 40 people he autopsied died of the vaccine? https://www.sueddeutsche.de/wissen/wissenschaft-heidelberg-chef-pathologe-pocht-auf-mehr-obduktionen-von-geimpften-dpa.urn-newsml-dpa-com-20090101-210801-99-647273 https://www.sueddeutsche.de/wissen/wissenschaft-heidelberg-c...
- suzzer99 5y ago
  VAERS data has been massively misconstrued and reported completely out of context by anti-vaxxers with an agenda and often profit motive for doing so. Here's a good thread about VAERS data and how it's being misused: https://twitter.com/dhmontgomery/status/1432419761703596033 https://twitter.com/dhmontgomery/status/1432419761703596033 All VAERS does is say a person got sick or died after taking a vaccine. It's unverified. It doesn't say if the person was already sick. It doesn't try to ascribe cause. From their own definition: "information on unverified reports of adverse events (illnesses, health problems and/or symptoms) following immunization with US-licensed vaccines." When 200M people get a vaccine, there are going to be some coincidences. The slide you reference is a perfect example of misuse of VAERS. Of course deaths following (not necessarily because of) vaccinations are going to be higher than previous years when you're vaccinating 200 million people at once, many of them old and sick. Just use common sense. Creating a dramatic chart to compare deaths following vaccinations during a global pandemic and vaccination drive vs. previous normal years is nonsense, and just proves that the author of the slide is an extremely biased source. It's pure emotion-tugging sophistry aimed at a non-expert audience who doesn't understand the data. Here's an actual source on the safety of the vaccine: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2110475 https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2110475 VAERS has been completely warped to fit an agenda - often promulgated at the top by snake-oil salesmen who make money from eyeballs or bogus supplements, or by state actors trying to sow discord. https://www.webmd.com/brain/autism/news/20110111/mmr-doctor-planned-make-millions-journal-claims https://www.webmd.com/brain/autism/news/20110111/mmr-doctor-... 700k people, 1 in 500, are dead from covid in this country. Even if all 700 of those deaths in VAAERS were from the vaccine, and VAERS was 40x underreported, (which in no way am I conceding either) that's still several orders of magnitude less than the risk from the virus itself. And that's not even considering long covid, another item anti-vaxxers always ignore. https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/91270 https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/91270 Are other pathologists reporting similar findings? In the article you posted it says they don't agree with him. Why are you picking one voice out of the entire global pathology community to amplify and believe? Personally I'd rather stick to the overwhelming consensus of the world's top scientists and virologists, and 96% of doctors, on the matter. https://www.ama-assn.org/press-center/press-releases/ama-survey-shows-over-96-doctors-fully-vaccinated-against-covid-19 https://www.ama-assn.org/press-center/press-releases/ama-sur... If there was really some big coverup involving life and death issues, I have faith a significant enough number of true experts would come forward to make the mainstream media, or even fox news, instead of just a few random sketchy websites.

mullen 5y ago

> The result is, healthy young people who almost certainly cannot benefit from taking the vaccine are being pressured to take it, suffering extreme adverse side effects, and being told that they're just psych cases (suffering from anxiety or something similar) The above post is the exact reason why we are never getting out of this Pandemic. Just pure misinformation being passed as facts. Young people can die from COVID but they won't die from COVID vaccine shots. Once they are vaccinated, they are much less likely to spread COVID, which is the real reason we want the young to get vaccinated. So they can stop spreading it. Individual cases of people having strong reactions to the COVID vaccine is expected and not harmful to the individuals. I fail to understand why anti-vaxxers keep posting this kind of information. They are just telling us what we have already been told we can expect. Also, if you think having a strong reaction to the COVID vaccine was bad, wait until you get COVID because it just might kill you.

HamburgerEmoji 5y ago
> Young people can die from COVID but they won't die from COVID vaccine shots. https://www.ibtimes.sg/michigan-teen-dies-sleep-3-days-after-receiving-pfizer-vaccine-early-autopsy-finds-boys-heart-58621 https://www.ibtimes.sg/michigan-teen-dies-sleep-3-days-after... If we accept that this story is not fabricated, this person was previously healthy. Myocarditis suspected. Slides 62 and 63 of https://www.skirsch.com/covid/All.pdf https://www.skirsch.com/covid/All.pdf indicate the vaccines can cause myocarditis, especially in young men. High troponin levels is the alleged indicator, from https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2109975 https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2109975 Another victim, aged 18. Clotting suspected, as suggested by Sucharit Bhakdi. https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/italy-halts-astrazeneca-vaccine-under-60s-after-teenager-dies-2021-06-11/ https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/italy-halts-astrazeneca... Another victim, aged 16. Pulmonary embolism. Does this look like a forged/noise report to you (honest question, no snark)? https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E4urslGWEAM_7c3?format=jpg&name=large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E4urslGWEAM_7c3?format=jpg&name=... Another victim, aged 15. Cardiac failure. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E0X3XuqXoAAPX2N?format=jpg&name=medium https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E0X3XuqXoAAPX2N?format=jpg&name=... Another victim, aged 13. More heart problems. https://medalerts.org/vaersdb/findfield.php?IDNUMBER=1505250 https://medalerts.org/vaersdb/findfield.php?IDNUMBER=1505250