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> Django looks like the 40 years old guy who feels "in" using Facebook, while everyone else is already using Instagram or TikTok. wow fuck ageist bullshit like

by zzzeek 5y ago

> Django looks like the 40 years old guy who feels "in" using Facebook, while everyone else is already using Instagram or TikTok. wow fuck ageist bullshit like this. everyone knows I'm no big Django advocate but what is the point of a blog post like this? I'm not seeing how effort spent on writing articles like this makes the world better for anybody, including the author. Go create something? >But what if tomorrow, Microsoft launches a full-featured node/Typescript framework? You would get ... In my opinion, a framework like this would nail it it's all you bro, *go write it* and show everyone how right you are!

tedmiston 5y ago
I also found the comparison of web frameworks being cool or trendy like social media apps to be bizarre / nonsensical. I don't want my web framework(s) to be trendy, or cool, or in — I want them to be battle-tested and "just work" regardless of implementation language.
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billyjobob 5y ago
Especially since a 40 year old on Facebook today will have been using it since he was 26, or possibly 24 if he was at college at the time. So he’s going to be well aware that Facebook isn’t a new hip thing. (Although he might have seen the damage that Facebook did to his mental health over the years and wisely decided not to sign up for Instagram and Tiktok when they came along, so that part is not so unrealistic)
- Aloha 5y ago
  Which is how those of us (few) holdouts still posting on LiveJournal feel, we know its not the in thing anymore, but we prefer it because of the advantages that it has.
- daveslash 5y ago
  This hit home for me. I'm not yet 40, but I'm not too far off. I was using Facebook in college back in 2005. My usage had been tapering off for a couple of years, and I I permanently closed my account about around late 2015. I haven't signed up for any social network/platform since, except for Instagram that I use solely to post photos from my budding photography hobby. I only post photos in which there are either no people at all, or no recognizable faces. I only "like" photos that fit the same criteria, and I only follow people who I know very well in the real world. If I see a photo of a birthday, wedding, etc.. that I would like to "like" ~ I don't like it on Instagram; I pick up the phone and text/call/reconnect.
caspii 5y ago
To continue this metaphor: If I was hiring a skipper to sail my family over the Atlantic, I would absolutely hire the "lame" 40 year old and not the hip 20 year old
- sly010 5y ago
  I don't necessarily disagree with you (I generally prefer tried and true), but to turn that metaphor around, there were (probably) many advancements in sailing since the olden days in the field navigation, communication and weather forecast, etc, so a younger or more up-to-date sailboat might have a better time predicting and dodging storms, or even shortening the journey. And any decent skipper would be taking advantage of technologies, even though he/she _could_ navigate with a compass and sextant if needed.
  - smorgusofborg 5y ago
    > even though he/she _could_ navigate with a compass and sextant if needed. The person with 22 years experience could fall back like this thanks to survivor bias, the person with 2 years experience might have been lucky so far. I had to wonder what FB chose as a cultural strategy that left them down for hours when other companies can recover virtually anything in under an hour and if a focus on being less cool and less ageist would have helped them.
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fredthomsen 5y ago
wow... yeah... strongly strongly agree. I love email, rss, irc, etc and still use them today and strongly disagree that we shouldn't educate people coming up about these tools.
idontwantthis 5y ago
NestJS exists. I use it in production and it’s fantastic. https://nestjs.com/ https://nestjs.com/
- subsection1h 5y ago
  TypeORM is not fantastic. https://redd.it/lwje83 https://redd.it/lwje83 What other frameworks have you used professionally?
  - idontwantthis 5y ago
    We don’t use TypeORM. We made our own Mongo repository library.
spurgu 5y ago
Wow you seem quite sensitive. It's an analogy from the author's perspective, you don't have to take it personally just because it happens to clash with your own perspective.
simias 5y ago
I need to write a blog post "in defence of boring, reliable tech". It baffles me that significant portions of the web crowd seem not to have learned this lesson yet. Who enjoys learning a new framework every 6 months? Tools are not supposed to be exciting. We're not usually hyped for a new version of a hammer, wrench or a soldering iron. That's not the point. This collective ADHD is really counter-productive IMO. I still remember that comment on HN a couple of years ago where somebody was claiming that JQuery was dead because there hadn't be a new release in literally 4 months.
dumpsterdiver 5y ago
Not to mention, it's genuinely kind of sad that the author's idea of being part of the "in crowd" consists of which social network a person is using. I don't think many 40 year olds are under the illusion that they're part of the "in crowd" because they stay in touch with their grandmother on Facebook. The ironic part about that sentiment is that the author is clearly well on their way to becoming the 40 year old they were making fun of - one who doesn't grow up and continues to rely upon social media to obtain affirmation.

by zzzeek 5y ago

tedmiston 5y ago

I also found the comparison of web frameworks being cool or trendy like social media apps to be bizarre / nonsensical. I don't want my web framework(s) to be trendy, or cool, or in — I want them to be battle-tested and "just work" regardless of implementation language.

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billyjobob 5y ago

Especially since a 40 year old on Facebook today will have been using it since he was 26, or possibly 24 if he was at college at the time. So he’s going to be well aware that Facebook isn’t a new hip thing. (Although he might have seen the damage that Facebook did to his mental health over the years and wisely decided not to sign up for Instagram and Tiktok when they came along, so that part is not so unrealistic)

Aloha 5y ago
Which is how those of us (few) holdouts still posting on LiveJournal feel, we know its not the in thing anymore, but we prefer it because of the advantages that it has.
daveslash 5y ago
This hit home for me. I'm not yet 40, but I'm not too far off. I was using Facebook in college back in 2005. My usage had been tapering off for a couple of years, and I I permanently closed my account about around late 2015. I haven't signed up for any social network/platform since, except for Instagram that I use solely to post photos from my budding photography hobby. I only post photos in which there are either no people at all, or no recognizable faces. I only "like" photos that fit the same criteria, and I only follow people who I know very well in the real world. If I see a photo of a birthday, wedding, etc.. that I would like to "like" ~ I don't like it on Instagram; I pick up the phone and text/call/reconnect.

caspii 5y ago

To continue this metaphor: If I was hiring a skipper to sail my family over the Atlantic, I would absolutely hire the "lame" 40 year old and not the hip 20 year old

sly010 5y ago
I don't necessarily disagree with you (I generally prefer tried and true), but to turn that metaphor around, there were (probably) many advancements in sailing since the olden days in the field navigation, communication and weather forecast, etc, so a younger or more up-to-date sailboat might have a better time predicting and dodging storms, or even shortening the journey. And any decent skipper would be taking advantage of technologies, even though he/she _could_ navigate with a compass and sextant if needed.
- smorgusofborg 5y ago
  > even though he/she _could_ navigate with a compass and sextant if needed. The person with 22 years experience could fall back like this thanks to survivor bias, the person with 2 years experience might have been lucky so far. I had to wonder what FB chose as a cultural strategy that left them down for hours when other companies can recover virtually anything in under an hour and if a focus on being less cool and less ageist would have helped them.
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fredthomsen 5y ago

wow... yeah... strongly strongly agree. I love email, rss, irc, etc and still use them today and strongly disagree that we shouldn't educate people coming up about these tools.

idontwantthis 5y ago

NestJS exists. I use it in production and it’s fantastic. https://nestjs.com/ https://nestjs.com/

subsection1h 5y ago
TypeORM is not fantastic. https://redd.it/lwje83 https://redd.it/lwje83 What other frameworks have you used professionally?
- idontwantthis 5y ago
  We don’t use TypeORM. We made our own Mongo repository library.

spurgu 5y ago

Wow you seem quite sensitive. It's an analogy from the author's perspective, you don't have to take it personally just because it happens to clash with your own perspective.

simias 5y ago

I need to write a blog post "in defence of boring, reliable tech". It baffles me that significant portions of the web crowd seem not to have learned this lesson yet. Who enjoys learning a new framework every 6 months? Tools are not supposed to be exciting. We're not usually hyped for a new version of a hammer, wrench or a soldering iron. That's not the point. This collective ADHD is really counter-productive IMO. I still remember that comment on HN a couple of years ago where somebody was claiming that JQuery was dead because there hadn't be a new release in literally 4 months.

dumpsterdiver 5y ago

Not to mention, it's genuinely kind of sad that the author's idea of being part of the "in crowd" consists of which social network a person is using. I don't think many 40 year olds are under the illusion that they're part of the "in crowd" because they stay in touch with their grandmother on Facebook. The ironic part about that sentiment is that the author is clearly well on their way to becoming the 40 year old they were making fun of - one who doesn't grow up and continues to rely upon social media to obtain affirmation.