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> The remarkable success of vaccine mandates shows that for many, it is not firm ideological commitments that have kept everyone from getting vaccinated Yes, i

> The remarkable success of vaccine mandates shows that for many, it is not firm ideological commitments that have kept everyone from getting vaccinated Yes, if you threaten someone’s livelihood they will do things they don’t want to do, even going against their own conscience. Why do people pretend like a mandate is a small thing and not a nuclear weapon? For many people they risk not only losing their job, but their benefits (teachers) or even future job prospects (dishonorable discharge).

scohesc 5y ago
I know somebody who's very personal to me who took the vaccine because they were threatened with termination of employment. They live paycheck to paycheck and have a wife and 3 kids to support. They're going to have to live with themselves violating their own personal bodily autonomy because they didn't want their kids ending up on the street. I personally find it morally reprehensible for any level of "seniority"/"authority" (be it employer, government, peers, etc) to use threats of violence (threatening with loss of employment _is_ an act of violence, I'm not swaying on that). I don't like how society has gotten very "us vs. them" in the past couple of decades.
moistly 5y ago
> Why do people pretend like a mandate is a small thing and not a nuclear weapon? Why do people pretend like an extraordinarily contagious novel virus that commonly causes long-term organ damage is a small thing and not the next best thing to a bioweapon? Why do people pretend that the healthcare system is not collapsing? Why do people pretend that refrigerator trucks full of corpses wasn’t a thing? Why do people pretend that children’s surgeries aren’t currently being canceled in Saskatchewan and Alberta? Vaccine mandates are, in all reality, “playing nice.” The mandates allow you a number of vaccination choices, you pick the place and time. The “nuclear weapon” is when the state uses its military to enforce compliance: no alternatives, no choices. The choice is between our society having a functioning healthcare system, or having too many people remain unvaccinated.
- ed25519FUUU 5y ago
  Would you accept a serology test instead of proof of vaccination for these individuals?

scohesc 5y ago

I know somebody who's very personal to me who took the vaccine because they were threatened with termination of employment. They live paycheck to paycheck and have a wife and 3 kids to support. They're going to have to live with themselves violating their own personal bodily autonomy because they didn't want their kids ending up on the street. I personally find it morally reprehensible for any level of "seniority"/"authority" (be it employer, government, peers, etc) to use threats of violence (threatening with loss of employment _is_ an act of violence, I'm not swaying on that). I don't like how society has gotten very "us vs. them" in the past couple of decades.

moistly 5y ago

> Why do people pretend like a mandate is a small thing and not a nuclear weapon? Why do people pretend like an extraordinarily contagious novel virus that commonly causes long-term organ damage is a small thing and not the next best thing to a bioweapon? Why do people pretend that the healthcare system is not collapsing? Why do people pretend that refrigerator trucks full of corpses wasn’t a thing? Why do people pretend that children’s surgeries aren’t currently being canceled in Saskatchewan and Alberta? Vaccine mandates are, in all reality, “playing nice.” The mandates allow you a number of vaccination choices, you pick the place and time. The “nuclear weapon” is when the state uses its military to enforce compliance: no alternatives, no choices. The choice is between our society having a functioning healthcare system, or having too many people remain unvaccinated.

ed25519FUUU 5y ago
Would you accept a serology test instead of proof of vaccination for these individuals?