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> how easy it would be to add additional "features" I suspect the next big milestone planned is to link it to a "social credit" score, i.e. an opaque system of

> how easy it would be to add additional "features" I suspect the next big milestone planned is to link it to a "social credit" score, i.e. an opaque system of extra-judicial punishment where the government can hide behind an official excuse of "the AI decided" every time a wrong-thinker complains about their oppression.

tryauuum 5y ago
I don't believe in capabilities of russian government IT services to design such a thing, to be honest
LudwigNagasena 5y ago
I think that you can "sell" catching criminals to Russians, but I don't think the population will accept the social credit system.
JumpCrisscross 5y ago
> the next big milestone planned is to link it to a "social credit" score, i.e. an opaque system of extra-judicial punishment where the government can hide behind an official excuse of "the AI decided" every time a wrong-thinker complains about their oppression Moscow has no qualms about overtly oppressing its opposition. What advantage does the ambiguity of such a system bring to the table? If anything, Putin's flamboyant campaign of pursuing dissidents puts as much emphasis on messaging as physical outcome. Softening the message--if you oppose the Kremlin, it will hurt you--is counterproductive.
- wbsss4412 5y ago
  Every system of overt oppression has its limits, no matter how seemly compliant the population is or how iron fisted the current regime may be. The displays you mention are just that, displays. For population scale control you really do need to be more subtle and pervasive. Which is what makes this type of surveillance so much more insidious.
- dane-pgp 5y ago
  It would be quite expensive for the Russian government to poison everyone who ever went to a protest, or who socialised with the wrong sort of people. Also, if it's cheap enough, the government can apply low-level incentives/nudges at the top of the dissent "recruitment funnel" as well as high-level high-profile actions against the few brave people who make it all the way to becoming leaders of these groups.

tryauuum 5y ago

I don't believe in capabilities of russian government IT services to design such a thing, to be honest

LudwigNagasena 5y ago

I think that you can "sell" catching criminals to Russians, but I don't think the population will accept the social credit system.

JumpCrisscross 5y ago

> the next big milestone planned is to link it to a "social credit" score, i.e. an opaque system of extra-judicial punishment where the government can hide behind an official excuse of "the AI decided" every time a wrong-thinker complains about their oppression Moscow has no qualms about overtly oppressing its opposition. What advantage does the ambiguity of such a system bring to the table? If anything, Putin's flamboyant campaign of pursuing dissidents puts as much emphasis on messaging as physical outcome. Softening the message--if you oppose the Kremlin, it will hurt you--is counterproductive.

wbsss4412 5y ago
Every system of overt oppression has its limits, no matter how seemly compliant the population is or how iron fisted the current regime may be. The displays you mention are just that, displays. For population scale control you really do need to be more subtle and pervasive. Which is what makes this type of surveillance so much more insidious.
dane-pgp 5y ago
It would be quite expensive for the Russian government to poison everyone who ever went to a protest, or who socialised with the wrong sort of people. Also, if it's cheap enough, the government can apply low-level incentives/nudges at the top of the dissent "recruitment funnel" as well as high-level high-profile actions against the few brave people who make it all the way to becoming leaders of these groups.