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Also this feels a lot like Boeing offering up a sacrificial lamb. I find it hard to believe that the FAA can focus on one person at Boeing as the reason for th

Also this feels a lot like Boeing offering up a sacrificial lamb. I find it hard to believe that the FAA can focus on one person at Boeing as the reason for the failure in reporting the issue. There are too many managers and engineers involved. On the surface this sounds a lot like the Challenger disaster story.

HPsquared 5y ago
Overall though, I'm at least happy some individuals are getting prosecuted, it sends a message that there are legal risks to individuals involved in this kind of thing, not just diluted corporate responsibility.
- trebligdivad 5y ago
  Only if the people actually responsible get prosecuted; prosecuting the wrong person sneds the message that the people really responsible get away with it - so there is need for some care.
  - wongarsu 5y ago
    Even prosecuting the wrong people at least encourages whistle blowing. If someone thinks they might be the sacrificial lamb if excrement hits the fan they can protect themselves by being the first to report it to regulators
- jandrese 5y ago
  What really needs to change is the corporate culture that led a person to think that they would be doing the company a favor by lying to the regulators. This probably goes all the way to the top. Also, whomever decided that a basic software safety check would be an optional extra with a price tag should definitely not be in the management chain. That's the sort of next quarter profit-only thinking that rots companies from the middle out. That is the kind of thinking that results in your brand new product killing 346 human beings.
  - jaywalk 5y ago
    The "software safety check" wasn't an optional extra. It didn't exist at all! The optional add on was for an "AOA DISAGREE" warning light, which would have indicated that the MCAS might be relying on faulty data (if the pilot was even aware of MCAS in the first place) but wouldn't have actually stopped it from doing so. Now, the updated MCAS will only activate if both AOA sensors agree. Which seems like a fucking no brainer that should have been the case from the start, but... yeah.
WillPostForFood 5y ago
Is Boeing offering a lamb, or the justice dept applying pressure to get him to cooperate and try to get higher level targets?
softawre 5y ago
At least it is somebody with a big title. Chief Technical Pilot.
- SyzygistSix 5y ago
  Genuinely curious; how big is that title? Are they essentially an overall project manager who gives the green light? Do they have the power to tell the executive class "Nope" without getting fired? Never mind. I saw Buildsjets comment that explains his position.

HPsquared 5y ago

Overall though, I'm at least happy some individuals are getting prosecuted, it sends a message that there are legal risks to individuals involved in this kind of thing, not just diluted corporate responsibility.

trebligdivad 5y ago
Only if the people actually responsible get prosecuted; prosecuting the wrong person sneds the message that the people really responsible get away with it - so there is need for some care.
- wongarsu 5y ago
  Even prosecuting the wrong people at least encourages whistle blowing. If someone thinks they might be the sacrificial lamb if excrement hits the fan they can protect themselves by being the first to report it to regulators
jandrese 5y ago
What really needs to change is the corporate culture that led a person to think that they would be doing the company a favor by lying to the regulators. This probably goes all the way to the top. Also, whomever decided that a basic software safety check would be an optional extra with a price tag should definitely not be in the management chain. That's the sort of next quarter profit-only thinking that rots companies from the middle out. That is the kind of thinking that results in your brand new product killing 346 human beings.
- jaywalk 5y ago
  The "software safety check" wasn't an optional extra. It didn't exist at all! The optional add on was for an "AOA DISAGREE" warning light, which would have indicated that the MCAS might be relying on faulty data (if the pilot was even aware of MCAS in the first place) but wouldn't have actually stopped it from doing so. Now, the updated MCAS will only activate if both AOA sensors agree. Which seems like a fucking no brainer that should have been the case from the start, but... yeah.

WillPostForFood 5y ago

Is Boeing offering a lamb, or the justice dept applying pressure to get him to cooperate and try to get higher level targets?

softawre 5y ago

At least it is somebody with a big title. Chief Technical Pilot.

SyzygistSix 5y ago
Genuinely curious; how big is that title? Are they essentially an overall project manager who gives the green light? Do they have the power to tell the executive class "Nope" without getting fired? Never mind. I saw Buildsjets comment that explains his position.