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Your comment is a perfect example of what’s wrong with “The German Way” of thinking about innovation. Instead of inventing the future, we want to maintain the

Your comment is a perfect example of what’s wrong with “The German Way” of thinking about innovation. Instead of inventing the future, we want to maintain the past. That’s why Tesla was invented in the States and China has brought our Transrapid to the market. We used to be a people of inventors who embraced the possibilities that technology provides to shape the future. That’s why the automobile was invented here. The bicycle. And so much more. Today we just want to faster Internet to consume American Services even faster.

nuerow 5y ago
> Your comment is a perfect example of what’s wrong with “The German Way” of thinking about innovation. I feel your comment is misguided and frankly clueless. Research into point-to-point logistics has been a thing for the past decade thanks to developments in drones. One of their main markets is actually under-developed regions where investing in infrastructure is outright impossible. Another important market is actually automating parts of the logistics chain and removing people from the process. What this newspiece shows is the last decade or so of research coming to fruition. It's incomprehensible how you're criticizing autonomous drones as being "maintaining the past" but presenting tech from the 1960s that has virtually no commercial viability or practical use as being "the future".
- shoto_io 5y ago
  I’m not sure if we have a misunderstanding here. I am not at all criticizing autonomous drones. I’m all for them. I was criticizing OPs lack of enthusiasm for them. He/She is comparing faster Internet and better bicycle roads to a highly innovative idea of drone logistics.
martin_a 5y ago
It's not about maintaining the past, but we are _so bad_ in utilizing the existing infrastructure efficiently, that we are now trying to build a completly new one in the airspace above us. Why not push what we have to the limits, gladly in innovative ways, instead of adding just another half-baked layer? > Today we just want to faster Internet to consume American Services even faster. Nah... I want faster internet so I can work from home in a rural area and don't have to spend a third of my income on rent, because I need to live close to my work because we don't have cheap and fast public transportation.
- shoto_io 5y ago
  Infrastructure is completely overrated for innovation. We have global leaders in tiny villages on the Schwäbische Alb, who deliver parts to anywhere in the World without having an Autobahn anywhere near them. If you have ever been to the Silicon Valley you might have noticed that internet and wireless is a mess. At least when I lived there it was really bad. Same with any cab service by the way, which are way more efficient in Germany. Improving infrastructure might increase your personal efficiency. It won't help innovation in any way. PS: A great example how infrastructure is irrelevant can be seen in this Ted Talk. It compares India and China after WWII. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UR-uWwvpn5c https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UR-uWwvpn5c
  - LargoLasskhyfv 5y ago
    TED talks are overrated for information/education. I wasted 18 minutes, and it has given me nothing. One could maybe discusss differences in protocol implementations, regarding error correction, latency, overhead on networks of a given topology. This was nothing like that.
LargoLasskhyfv 5y ago
What market? That one demo piece in Shanghai from the airport to the not so central border of town? Making no revenue? Not really suitable because it has almost no space for luggage, which passengers from the airport tend to carry with them? Also I am still unaware of any larger testtrack for the 'updated' thing the media is so extatic about. That is just one private company trying to get investments. Which they probably won't get, except if the Zentralkommitee would maybe pushing it. Which seems unlikely, because why they didn't extend the Shanghai line as planned, then? I mean, I don't really care because it won't happen here anyways. But don't say brought to market until they have at least an Emsland equivalent test track, and actually shown the 600kph they say 'Yes! Yes! We can do!' and rave about all the times. None of this has happened so far. Correct me if I'm wrong.

nuerow 5y ago

> Your comment is a perfect example of what’s wrong with “The German Way” of thinking about innovation. I feel your comment is misguided and frankly clueless. Research into point-to-point logistics has been a thing for the past decade thanks to developments in drones. One of their main markets is actually under-developed regions where investing in infrastructure is outright impossible. Another important market is actually automating parts of the logistics chain and removing people from the process. What this newspiece shows is the last decade or so of research coming to fruition. It's incomprehensible how you're criticizing autonomous drones as being "maintaining the past" but presenting tech from the 1960s that has virtually no commercial viability or practical use as being "the future".

shoto_io 5y ago
I’m not sure if we have a misunderstanding here. I am not at all criticizing autonomous drones. I’m all for them. I was criticizing OPs lack of enthusiasm for them. He/She is comparing faster Internet and better bicycle roads to a highly innovative idea of drone logistics.

martin_a 5y ago

It's not about maintaining the past, but we are _so bad_ in utilizing the existing infrastructure efficiently, that we are now trying to build a completly new one in the airspace above us. Why not push what we have to the limits, gladly in innovative ways, instead of adding just another half-baked layer? > Today we just want to faster Internet to consume American Services even faster. Nah... I want faster internet so I can work from home in a rural area and don't have to spend a third of my income on rent, because I need to live close to my work because we don't have cheap and fast public transportation.

shoto_io 5y ago
Infrastructure is completely overrated for innovation. We have global leaders in tiny villages on the Schwäbische Alb, who deliver parts to anywhere in the World without having an Autobahn anywhere near them. If you have ever been to the Silicon Valley you might have noticed that internet and wireless is a mess. At least when I lived there it was really bad. Same with any cab service by the way, which are way more efficient in Germany. Improving infrastructure might increase your personal efficiency. It won't help innovation in any way. PS: A great example how infrastructure is irrelevant can be seen in this Ted Talk. It compares India and China after WWII. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UR-uWwvpn5c https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UR-uWwvpn5c
- LargoLasskhyfv 5y ago
  TED talks are overrated for information/education. I wasted 18 minutes, and it has given me nothing. One could maybe discusss differences in protocol implementations, regarding error correction, latency, overhead on networks of a given topology. This was nothing like that.

LargoLasskhyfv 5y ago

What market? That one demo piece in Shanghai from the airport to the not so central border of town? Making no revenue? Not really suitable because it has almost no space for luggage, which passengers from the airport tend to carry with them? Also I am still unaware of any larger testtrack for the 'updated' thing the media is so extatic about. That is just one private company trying to get investments. Which they probably won't get, except if the Zentralkommitee would maybe pushing it. Which seems unlikely, because why they didn't extend the Shanghai line as planned, then? I mean, I don't really care because it won't happen here anyways. But don't say brought to market until they have at least an Emsland equivalent test track, and actually shown the 600kph they say 'Yes! Yes! We can do!' and rave about all the times. None of this has happened so far. Correct me if I'm wrong.