> Because, thinking the existing of subjective experience that is any way special is just societal programming that claims that humans are special and important

> Because, thinking the existing of subjective experience that is any way special is just societal programming that claims that humans are special and important in the universe. This has absolutely nothing to do with humans, or even this planet. I have no "bias". We have trillions of stars in trillions of galaxies. I was talking about consciousness, zero to do with "societal programming". If you don't want it to be about humans than make it about planet X that is orbiting star Y in galaxy Z that has also evolved conscious beings. You don't think existing at all as a conscious entity in a vastly enormous, complex and strangely beautiful universe is "any way special"? We'll have to agree to disagree on that one!