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Interesting. When I accepted that a WM simply shouldn't interfere with the user I gave up my complains that I can't configure Gnome the way I like it and since

Interesting. When I accepted that a WM simply shouldn't interfere with the user I gave up my complains that I can't configure Gnome the way I like it and since then it is a solved problem for me. Actually I increasingly like it with every iteration.

southerntofu 5y ago
What was your main pain points with GNOME UI? How have you evolved to like it over time, or how has GNOME evolved to fix those painpoints? Personally, my three pain points are (were?) lack of systray, lack of 1D window list (not 2D rendering of all open windows on workspace, which is harder to navigate), no "execute" action for .desktop/.sh files [0], and alt-tab behavior inconsistent with every other window manager and OS i've used in the past [1]. Not finding settings for any of these is what drove me away from GNOME. But i'm always tempted to come back, because GNOME is otherwise very consistent and pleasant. I like that there's utilities i can place in inexperienced hands, for example GNOME Disks to create bootable USBs. But for those non-tech users of GNOME i know, lack of systray and 1D window list are the most painful points. [0] How are we supposed to teach users to run apps/scripts? I remember long time ago on Ubuntu there was "Open", "Execute" and "Execute in terminal" actions. Nowadays a lot of non-tech people i meet learn to use a terminal just to start Tor Browser, which is not ideal. Is there a simple package i can install to setup such actions? [1] That alt-tab doesn't consistently take me to the previous window i was on, i find heavily confusing. When i'm switching between browser or terminal windows, GNOME's Alt-Tab takes me a considerable time to reach my previous window because i need to expand the program's group before i can switch. Otherwise, alt-tab takes me to another window that's not the previous window i was on. Can this be configured back to "normal" now?
- nyanpasu64 5y ago
  On GNOME, you can press Alt+Backtick to switch between windows of an app. I like its presence in KDE and GNOME and Mac (and dislike its absence on Windows), but I'm not sure I like how Alt+Tab on Mac (and GNOME?) don't switch between windows of an app by default.
- npn 5y ago
  my main paint point with linux DE is the file explorers. I have tried them all, nautilus, thunar, dolphin, nemo... none of them is as polished as windows explorer, especially in my case when I have a lot east asia languages file names. I'd admit that my windows explorer is tweaked a bit (like using the oldnewexplorer tool) though.

southerntofu 5y ago

What was your main pain points with GNOME UI? How have you evolved to like it over time, or how has GNOME evolved to fix those painpoints? Personally, my three pain points are (were?) lack of systray, lack of 1D window list (not 2D rendering of all open windows on workspace, which is harder to navigate), no "execute" action for .desktop/.sh files [0], and alt-tab behavior inconsistent with every other window manager and OS i've used in the past [1]. Not finding settings for any of these is what drove me away from GNOME. But i'm always tempted to come back, because GNOME is otherwise very consistent and pleasant. I like that there's utilities i can place in inexperienced hands, for example GNOME Disks to create bootable USBs. But for those non-tech users of GNOME i know, lack of systray and 1D window list are the most painful points. [0] How are we supposed to teach users to run apps/scripts? I remember long time ago on Ubuntu there was "Open", "Execute" and "Execute in terminal" actions. Nowadays a lot of non-tech people i meet learn to use a terminal just to start Tor Browser, which is not ideal. Is there a simple package i can install to setup such actions? [1] That alt-tab doesn't consistently take me to the previous window i was on, i find heavily confusing. When i'm switching between browser or terminal windows, GNOME's Alt-Tab takes me a considerable time to reach my previous window because i need to expand the program's group before i can switch. Otherwise, alt-tab takes me to another window that's not the previous window i was on. Can this be configured back to "normal" now?

nyanpasu64 5y ago
On GNOME, you can press Alt+Backtick to switch between windows of an app. I like its presence in KDE and GNOME and Mac (and dislike its absence on Windows), but I'm not sure I like how Alt+Tab on Mac (and GNOME?) don't switch between windows of an app by default.
npn 5y ago
my main paint point with linux DE is the file explorers. I have tried them all, nautilus, thunar, dolphin, nemo... none of them is as polished as windows explorer, especially in my case when I have a lot east asia languages file names. I'd admit that my windows explorer is tweaked a bit (like using the oldnewexplorer tool) though.