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Your point is so funny, Mao’s army was very small to start with and you are saying through force and coercion they grew exponentially and turned the civil war 1

Your point is so funny, Mao’s army was very small to start with and you are saying through force and coercion they grew exponentially and turned the civil war 180? So it must be Soviet Union who’s helping them or communism is just magical? The truth was the National Party was even worse and much more corrupted. The poor in China near the end of WWII was simply hopeless and the elite class also distrusted the government. Did your history book explain why or just simply put it’s magic?

justicezyx 5y ago
KMT get more assistance from USSR across the entirety of the WWII... The politics are quite complicated.
- hawflakes 5y ago
  Yes, and Chiang's son was eventually a "guest" of the USSR in the Urals. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiang_Ching-kuo#Moscow https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiang_Ching-kuo#Moscow
baybal2 5y ago
> So it must be Soviet Union who’s helping them or communism is just magical? The USSR didn't help them. The name of the country which helped them was... USA Read history books
- justicezyx 5y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Soviet_relations#The_KMT,_the_CCP,_the_Chinese_Civil_War_and_the_establishment_of_diplomatic_relations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Soviet_relations#The_KMT,... The superpower chessboard has been going on since as long as human figured the art of politics... Not only this, Mao openly encourage US to rearm Japan to confront USSR during cold war... And plenty more...
temp8964 5y ago
The corruption accusation is a common playbook of Communists around the world, like in China, Vietnam, Korea, etc. All the power establishment were accused of being corrupt. The matter of fact is that in those countries, the power has always being deeply corrupt, because they never had a constitutional republic / democracy, which are later western inventions. So in China, the National Party was corrupt, but not really that corrupt in the context of China's history. But surely very corrupt compared to western countries. Asking China to have a clean government at the time is like asking China to develop a moon landing project at the time. Communists of course understood these but they heavily targeted the U.S. government to spread the corrupt accusations. For example: "1944年6月罗斯福派副总统华莱士访华，冀全程陪同，提供了蒋、孔家族贪污腐败情况。"[1] 冀朝鼎(Ji Chaoding) was a CCP spy. The whole "poor was hopeless and the elite class also distrusted the government" was Communists' propaganda too. Remember, even though Communists at the time claimed they support democracy, but none of the Communist countries even attempted to establish democracy after they took power. All straight went to authoritarian hell. [1] https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/冀朝鼎 https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/冀朝鼎 [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ji_Chaoding https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ji_Chaoding
- whoevercares 5y ago
  We are talking about what happened in 1945-1949 and how communist won the civil war started from obviously the much weaker side. Do you think the people in China at that time believed both parties are corrupted and they just wanted to change? (It feels like same question how Trump won! Lol) US helped Mao’s CCP at propaganda level at the best. I know CCP is a hell but you have to admit Chinese people landslide-ly chose CCP over national party in those years. Again how CCP won? It’s a complicated matter that I don’t see any good explanation from “subjective” western history book
  - temp8964 5y ago
    No. Chinese people did not landslide-ly chose CCP. Unless you meant won the battle == won the mind. Communists always knew they didn't win people's mind, otherwise purge wouldn't be the first thing for Communists to do after took power. You think all the authoritarian things did by Communists were because they didn't know people chose them already?

justicezyx 5y ago

KMT get more assistance from USSR across the entirety of the WWII... The politics are quite complicated.

hawflakes 5y ago
Yes, and Chiang's son was eventually a "guest" of the USSR in the Urals. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiang_Ching-kuo#Moscow https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiang_Ching-kuo#Moscow

baybal2 5y ago

> So it must be Soviet Union who’s helping them or communism is just magical? The USSR didn't help them. The name of the country which helped them was... USA Read history books

justicezyx 5y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Soviet_relations#The_KMT,_the_CCP,_the_Chinese_Civil_War_and_the_establishment_of_diplomatic_relations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Soviet_relations#The_KMT,... The superpower chessboard has been going on since as long as human figured the art of politics... Not only this, Mao openly encourage US to rearm Japan to confront USSR during cold war... And plenty more...

temp8964 5y ago

The corruption accusation is a common playbook of Communists around the world, like in China, Vietnam, Korea, etc. All the power establishment were accused of being corrupt. The matter of fact is that in those countries, the power has always being deeply corrupt, because they never had a constitutional republic / democracy, which are later western inventions. So in China, the National Party was corrupt, but not really that corrupt in the context of China's history. But surely very corrupt compared to western countries. Asking China to have a clean government at the time is like asking China to develop a moon landing project at the time. Communists of course understood these but they heavily targeted the U.S. government to spread the corrupt accusations. For example: "1944年6月罗斯福派副总统华莱士访华，冀全程陪同，提供了蒋、孔家族贪污腐败情况。"[1] 冀朝鼎(Ji Chaoding) was a CCP spy. The whole "poor was hopeless and the elite class also distrusted the government" was Communists' propaganda too. Remember, even though Communists at the time claimed they support democracy, but none of the Communist countries even attempted to establish democracy after they took power. All straight went to authoritarian hell. [1] https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/冀朝鼎 https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/冀朝鼎 [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ji_Chaoding https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ji_Chaoding

whoevercares 5y ago
We are talking about what happened in 1945-1949 and how communist won the civil war started from obviously the much weaker side. Do you think the people in China at that time believed both parties are corrupted and they just wanted to change? (It feels like same question how Trump won! Lol) US helped Mao’s CCP at propaganda level at the best. I know CCP is a hell but you have to admit Chinese people landslide-ly chose CCP over national party in those years. Again how CCP won? It’s a complicated matter that I don’t see any good explanation from “subjective” western history book
- temp8964 5y ago
  No. Chinese people did not landslide-ly chose CCP. Unless you meant won the battle == won the mind. Communists always knew they didn't win people's mind, otherwise purge wouldn't be the first thing for Communists to do after took power. You think all the authoritarian things did by Communists were because they didn't know people chose them already?