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In my mind the is absolutely the right kind of data collection we should be encouraging. Do I want Tesla to sell my driving behavior to 3rd party vendors? No. D

In my mind the is absolutely the right kind of data collection we should be encouraging. Do I want Tesla to sell my driving behavior to 3rd party vendors? No. Do I want them to plug it into an algorithm and give me an insurance (hopefully) discount? Absolutely, 100x yes. Not ALL data collection is the evil eye of Sauron leaching off your personal life. Put it to good use, give us more accurate premiums!

generalizations 5y ago
> Do I want Tesla to sell my driving behavior to 3rd party vendors? No. Am I confident that they won't? Also no. This isn't a better use for data collection, we're just getting paid for the loss of privacy instead of giving it away for free.
- CapmCrackaWaka 5y ago
  > This isn't a better use for data collection, we're just getting paid for the loss of privacy instead of giving it away for free. Name one single better use of my driving habit data than directly saving me money.
  - generalizations 5y ago
    > one single better use of my driving habit data Keeping it to myself. Some people get paid to be erotic models; that's you. "Name one single better use of my hot bod than directly making me money." Other people find it far more valuable to keep that to themselves.
    - judge2020 5y ago
      And thus Tesla insurance is not the required insurance provider for Tesla cars, and enabling Tesla insurance telemetry requires clicking through a data-sharing prompt.
      - generalizations 5y ago
        For now. And if "more data!" didn't seem to be the rallying cry of modern business, I wouldn't be so concerned.
      - falcolas 5y ago
        So, it’s worth pointing out that Tesla already has a history of using telemetry against you, publicly, if you have the misfortune to die while using autopilot.
      - ausudhz 5y ago
        Till all insurance will be like this and thus no choice for you anymore
  - ausudhz 5y ago
    The question is how does it saves you money? 1. By increasing significantly the fee of whom is driving slightly worst than you (thus increasing the chance of having people without insurance driving cars) 2. By not allowing people at risk to purchase the insurance in the first place. Which increases again the chance of having people without insurance in the road. This definitely helps insurance company to avoid paying compensations in case of accident so that they can insure only people that have very little chance to cause an accidental thus increase their margins A huge step forward for insurance, a huge drawback for society.
- judge2020 5y ago
  Tesla has huge PR issues from media outlets jumping on things like autopilot failures as soon as the police report is publicly available. Selling insurance data wouldn't be something they'd benefit from if it meant more PR issues leading to fewer sales (as in, eventually, Tesla will plateau on sales to where every lost sale is important).
  - generalizations 5y ago
    There was a time also when we thought Google would do no evil. When are we going to learn to just not trust big corps?

generalizations 5y ago

> Do I want Tesla to sell my driving behavior to 3rd party vendors? No. Am I confident that they won't? Also no. This isn't a better use for data collection, we're just getting paid for the loss of privacy instead of giving it away for free.

CapmCrackaWaka 5y ago
> This isn't a better use for data collection, we're just getting paid for the loss of privacy instead of giving it away for free. Name one single better use of my driving habit data than directly saving me money.
- generalizations 5y ago
  > one single better use of my driving habit data Keeping it to myself. Some people get paid to be erotic models; that's you. "Name one single better use of my hot bod than directly making me money." Other people find it far more valuable to keep that to themselves.
  - judge2020 5y ago
    And thus Tesla insurance is not the required insurance provider for Tesla cars, and enabling Tesla insurance telemetry requires clicking through a data-sharing prompt.
    - generalizations 5y ago
      For now. And if "more data!" didn't seem to be the rallying cry of modern business, I wouldn't be so concerned.
    - falcolas 5y ago
      So, it’s worth pointing out that Tesla already has a history of using telemetry against you, publicly, if you have the misfortune to die while using autopilot.
    - ausudhz 5y ago
      Till all insurance will be like this and thus no choice for you anymore
- ausudhz 5y ago
  The question is how does it saves you money? 1. By increasing significantly the fee of whom is driving slightly worst than you (thus increasing the chance of having people without insurance driving cars) 2. By not allowing people at risk to purchase the insurance in the first place. Which increases again the chance of having people without insurance in the road. This definitely helps insurance company to avoid paying compensations in case of accident so that they can insure only people that have very little chance to cause an accidental thus increase their margins A huge step forward for insurance, a huge drawback for society.
judge2020 5y ago
Tesla has huge PR issues from media outlets jumping on things like autopilot failures as soon as the police report is publicly available. Selling insurance data wouldn't be something they'd benefit from if it meant more PR issues leading to fewer sales (as in, eventually, Tesla will plateau on sales to where every lost sale is important).
- generalizations 5y ago
  There was a time also when we thought Google would do no evil. When are we going to learn to just not trust big corps?