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From the article below: The conflict over China’s politics was playing out on the ground in China, but also in the ranks of America’s diplomatic corps. During
by 1cvmask 5y ago
From the article below:
The conflict over China’s politics was playing out on the ground in China, but also in the ranks of America’s diplomatic corps. During the war, American diplomats who had long experience and deep knowledge of China — dubbed the “China Hands” — felt that the Communists were more popular, more competent, and better positioned to lead China post-war. One of the China Hands, John S. Service, put it bluntly: “The Communists are in China to stay and China’s destiny is not Chiang’s but theirs.” Moreover, Service and his colleagues like John Paton Davies and O. Edmund Clubb felt that it was possible for the United States to build a constructive relationship with the Chinese Communist Party, and advised their government to do so.
https://supchina.com/2021/08/25/the-last-meeting-of-mao-zedong-and-chiang-kai-shek/ https://supchina.com/2021/08/25/the-last-meeting-of-mao-zedo...
- temp8964 5y agoThe CCP was and is very good at propaganda, U.S diplomats and the State Department were its major target. John S. Service was one of many fall for it. https://archive.is/S8owH https://archive.is/S8owH
- justicezyx 5y agoThen it makes no difference that it still makes more sense to work with CCP. It's not like rejecting CCP make them less evil...
- LurkingPenguin 5y ago> Moreover, Service and his colleagues like John Paton Davies and O. Edmund Clubb felt that it was possible for the United States to build a constructive relationship with the Chinese Communist Party That didn't age very well did it?
- star-trek-fleet 5y agoWhat you mean? Service were immediately demoted and labeled communist sympathizer, and lost his entire political career. And US only engage CCP after Mao died...
- eunos 5y ago>And US only engage CCP after Mao died Then who did Nixon and Kissinger met with?
- rsj_hn 5y agoPerhaps, like Churchill, there was a double called diplomao that was used for such occasions. Here is a picture: https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/06/11/some-summits-soar-some-plunge/ https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/06/11/some-summits-soar-some-... Of course that wouldn't explain why the meeting happened after Mao's death, so perhaps the diplomao knocked off the real Mao, which would account for why we've never seen both Mao and diplomao together in the same photo. Or perhaps the GP is wrong and Mao was taken prisoner by his diplomao, and it was Kissinger that, in a courageous act of diplomaocide, knocked off the diplomao and met with Mao himself, thus earning Mao's loyalty and opening up China to the West. We may never know.
- baybal2 5y agoNixon, and Kissinger were communists
- star-trek-fleet 5y agoThey do not seem showing any signs of believing communism though...
- RalfWausE 5y agoSneaky bastards...
- justicezyx 5y ago"Sneaky bastards..."?...
- star-trek-fleet 5y agoWell, I always tell people that CCP loved US more than USSR, but were rejected by US on ideology reasons. Then everyone just plainly cannot wrap their mind around the fact that working with CCP would more likely to create a less socialism country... Service's records (the Dixie report) are pretty https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dixie_Mission https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dixie_Mission clear that CCP aspires to work with US, and Mao was a US fan.
- _tik_ 5y agoMao actually agreed to assign communist army under Stillwell to fight Japanese Joseph Stilwell is still well respected in CCP China. CCP has a museum for him. https://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/24/world/asia/chongqing-joseph-stilwell-museum.html https://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/24/world/asia/chongqing-jose...
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- baybal2 5y agoJohn Service was a communist