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what diseases are linked to lack of fiber? you have a generous definition of "need". edit: I'm not disputing the benefits of fiber for the average person, but

what diseases are linked to lack of fiber? you have a generous definition of "need". edit: I'm not disputing the benefits of fiber for the average person, but the implied necessity of fiber is just false. Fact: A zero fiber diet is not guaranteed cause disease, whereas essential nutrient deficiencies will cause disease.

chillingeffect 5y ago
effects are listed among others here: https://selfhacked.com/blog/carnivore-diet/ https://selfhacked.com/blog/carnivore-diet/
- jiggunjer 5y ago
  spare me the blogs please. Its not even relevant: don't compare a meat-only diet to a low-fiber diet. All A are B but not all B are A.
  - chillingeffect 5y ago
    I find your tone rude, dismissive, and unacceptable. Also, the page listed includes over 100 references and is reviewed by two doctors.
    - chillingeffect 5y ago
      Sorry to see you acting out when science doesn't support your personal opinions.
Omnitaus 5y ago
bowel cancer, IBS, diverticulitis, heart disease
- jiggunjer 5y ago
  But low fiber doesnt _cause_ those diseases in the same sense as low vitamin D causes rickets. Most fiber-related studies I've seen were small and published in obscure journals. I'd agree the average person (with an average diet and lifestyle) probably benefits from getting enough fibre. But that's in conjunction with other factors. I just disagree with the statement humans "need" fiber.
  - Omnitaus 5y ago
    Your gut cannot be healthy without fiber. It's important for the digestive process. There's a reason dietary guidelines include fiber, and I'm not sure where you're reading these journals but your agreement/disagreement is irrelevant to the point. A lack of fiber does _cause_ blood sugar fluctuations, cholesterol increases, constipation, etc. Just because it's not as severe as rickets or scurvy doesn't mean people should ignore the needs of their gut microflora, especially given that the majority of cells in our bodies are (mostly beneficial) bacteria.
- bluedevil2k 5y ago
  Yet many claim keto diets have cured their digestive issues.
  - pvarangot 5y ago
    Eating less sugar and replacing it with nuts and seeds, and not eating starchy vegetables and replacing them with leafy greens will increase your fiber consumption like 4x or 5x. I seriously doubt someone doing like bacon butter and steak keto will claim improvements in their digestive issues unless they were like very sensitive to an allergen or something and didn't know it.
  - olyjohn 5y ago
    Like a lot of diets that benefit people, the big thing is probably just making more food at home, and eating less processed shit.
  - heavyset_go 5y ago
    Keto doesn't mean "no vegetables".
  - ryathal 5y ago
    Keto is generally emphasizes high fiber vegetables and flour substitutes that also generally have higher fiber.
cyounkins 5y ago
A bottle of Metamucil, a psyllium husk fiber supplement, indicates on it that helps with "heart health by lowering cholesterol" and "healthy blood sugar levels". I'm sure you can find studies that both support and deny these claims, but I understand the general consensus to be that these claims are supported by science. Heart disease is #1 killer of Americans, diabetes is #7 according to CDC [1]. [1] https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/leading-causes-of-death.htm https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/leading-causes-of-death.htm
- jiggunjer 5y ago
  food supplements are not medicines. If you claim there is science behind the claims show it. But as you already admitted, it's probably weak evidence.
  - cyounkins 5y ago
    Search PubMed. I will throw a couple links at you but cannot establish consensus for you. American Heart Association says "Dietary fiber can help you improve blood cholesterol levels and lower your risk of heart disease, stroke, obesity and even type 2 diabetes" [1] American Diabetes Association says "eating foods higher in fiber can also improve your digestion, help you manage your blood sugar and reduce your risk of heart disease." [2] [1] https://www.heart.org/en/healthy-living/healthy-eating/eat-smart/nutrition-basics/whole-grains-refined-grains-and-dietary-fiber https://www.heart.org/en/healthy-living/healthy-eating/eat-s... [2] https://diabetes.org/healthy-living/recipes-nutrition/understanding-carbs/get-to-know-carbs https://diabetes.org/healthy-living/recipes-nutrition/unders...
Maximus9000 5y ago
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/health-and-fitness/article-why-increasing-your-fibre-intake-can-add-years-to-your-life/ https://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/health-and-fitness/arti... "Previous studies have linked a higher fibre diet to protection from heart disease, type 2 diabetes, obesity and certain cancers."

chillingeffect 5y ago

effects are listed among others here: https://selfhacked.com/blog/carnivore-diet/ https://selfhacked.com/blog/carnivore-diet/

jiggunjer 5y ago
spare me the blogs please. Its not even relevant: don't compare a meat-only diet to a low-fiber diet. All A are B but not all B are A.
- chillingeffect 5y ago
  I find your tone rude, dismissive, and unacceptable. Also, the page listed includes over 100 references and is reviewed by two doctors.
  - chillingeffect 5y ago
    Sorry to see you acting out when science doesn't support your personal opinions.

Omnitaus 5y ago

bowel cancer, IBS, diverticulitis, heart disease

jiggunjer 5y ago
But low fiber doesnt _cause_ those diseases in the same sense as low vitamin D causes rickets. Most fiber-related studies I've seen were small and published in obscure journals. I'd agree the average person (with an average diet and lifestyle) probably benefits from getting enough fibre. But that's in conjunction with other factors. I just disagree with the statement humans "need" fiber.
- Omnitaus 5y ago
  Your gut cannot be healthy without fiber. It's important for the digestive process. There's a reason dietary guidelines include fiber, and I'm not sure where you're reading these journals but your agreement/disagreement is irrelevant to the point. A lack of fiber does _cause_ blood sugar fluctuations, cholesterol increases, constipation, etc. Just because it's not as severe as rickets or scurvy doesn't mean people should ignore the needs of their gut microflora, especially given that the majority of cells in our bodies are (mostly beneficial) bacteria.
bluedevil2k 5y ago
Yet many claim keto diets have cured their digestive issues.
- pvarangot 5y ago
  Eating less sugar and replacing it with nuts and seeds, and not eating starchy vegetables and replacing them with leafy greens will increase your fiber consumption like 4x or 5x. I seriously doubt someone doing like bacon butter and steak keto will claim improvements in their digestive issues unless they were like very sensitive to an allergen or something and didn't know it.
- olyjohn 5y ago
  Like a lot of diets that benefit people, the big thing is probably just making more food at home, and eating less processed shit.
- heavyset_go 5y ago
  Keto doesn't mean "no vegetables".
- ryathal 5y ago
  Keto is generally emphasizes high fiber vegetables and flour substitutes that also generally have higher fiber.

cyounkins 5y ago

A bottle of Metamucil, a psyllium husk fiber supplement, indicates on it that helps with "heart health by lowering cholesterol" and "healthy blood sugar levels". I'm sure you can find studies that both support and deny these claims, but I understand the general consensus to be that these claims are supported by science. Heart disease is #1 killer of Americans, diabetes is #7 according to CDC [1]. [1] https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/leading-causes-of-death.htm https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/leading-causes-of-death.htm

jiggunjer 5y ago
food supplements are not medicines. If you claim there is science behind the claims show it. But as you already admitted, it's probably weak evidence.
- cyounkins 5y ago
  Search PubMed. I will throw a couple links at you but cannot establish consensus for you. American Heart Association says "Dietary fiber can help you improve blood cholesterol levels and lower your risk of heart disease, stroke, obesity and even type 2 diabetes" [1] American Diabetes Association says "eating foods higher in fiber can also improve your digestion, help you manage your blood sugar and reduce your risk of heart disease." [2] [1] https://www.heart.org/en/healthy-living/healthy-eating/eat-smart/nutrition-basics/whole-grains-refined-grains-and-dietary-fiber https://www.heart.org/en/healthy-living/healthy-eating/eat-s... [2] https://diabetes.org/healthy-living/recipes-nutrition/understanding-carbs/get-to-know-carbs https://diabetes.org/healthy-living/recipes-nutrition/unders...

Maximus9000 5y ago

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/health-and-fitness/article-why-increasing-your-fibre-intake-can-add-years-to-your-life/ https://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/health-and-fitness/arti... "Previous studies have linked a higher fibre diet to protection from heart disease, type 2 diabetes, obesity and certain cancers."