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> Most people under 50 are not at high risk from COVID And they're still capable of transmitting COVID to other people at high risk, which will eventually happ

> Most people under 50 are not at high risk from COVID And they're still capable of transmitting COVID to other people at high risk, which will eventually happen with reproduction rate higher than 1. Do you have any suggestions for keeping the reproduction rate lower than 1 other than vaccination? I'm interested. > The people advocating for mandates are themselves offensive and I think history will prove them to be utter monsters. Those people are trying to save the community as whole, not just protecting themselves. To give you a data point, Portugal has fully opened the country without any mandates while controlling the disease, thanks to 85% vaccination rate.

totesraunch 5y ago
It's insane we're still talking about this nearly two years into the pandemic. Clearly people can't (or won't) connect their personal choices with the potential external effects of those choices.
Covzire 5y ago
My argument was not against mandates per se or the vaccines per se, but against the Federal Government having the power to take away someone's source of income for their family if they don't take an experimental drug, a drug they have every right to determine if they need it or not. And the vaccines don't stop transmission, there was a massive outbreak at Harvard recently even though it had a 95%+ vaccination rate. Look at Florida, the most recent data shows they have some of the lowest infection/death rate despite never locking down and never forcing state wide mandates.
- ev1 5y ago
  It is not an experimental drug.
- dragonwriter 5y ago
  > the Federal Government having the power to take away someone's source of income for their family if they don't take an experimental drug, Cominarty is fully approved (its true that some products under EUA can also be used.) It is also not, legally, a drug. > Look at Florida, the most recent data shows they have some of the lowest infection/death rate despite never locking down and never forcing state wide mandates. Out of 56 US states and territories, Florida has the seventh highest 7-day per capita death rate, over 1.5× the national rate; hardly “some of the lowest”. It actually has a fairly low per capita newly-identified case rate, but that seems likely to be because the laxity of control measures is also making nonsevere cases less likely to be detected. https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/national/coronavirus-us-cases-deaths/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/national/corona...
  - chana_masala 5y ago
    > Cominarty is fully approved (its true that some products under EUA can also be used.) Only you can't get it anywhere and BioNTech is considered legally distinct, so there's no available FDA approved vaccine at this time. Try calling Pfizer.
    - totesraunch 5y ago
      Legally distinct is not the same as chemically/biologically distinct.
      - chana_masala 5y ago
        We can't really know. Some of the proprietary ingredients are still unknown
    - dragonwriter 5y ago
      > Only you can't get it anywhere and BioNTech is considered legally distinct Which is interesting for some very esoteric legal reasons, but even to the extent that a formulation only allowed for non-investigatory use under an EUA rather than normal approval might approximately be said to be “experimental” (which is a fairly weak argument itself), the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine, which is an identical formulation to the fully-approved Cominarty, but legally distinct because packaging is legally significant in drugs and biologics, would still not be “experimental”.
- RL_Quine 5y ago
  There is nothing experimental about the mRNA vaccines.

totesraunch 5y ago

It's insane we're still talking about this nearly two years into the pandemic. Clearly people can't (or won't) connect their personal choices with the potential external effects of those choices.

Covzire 5y ago

My argument was not against mandates per se or the vaccines per se, but against the Federal Government having the power to take away someone's source of income for their family if they don't take an experimental drug, a drug they have every right to determine if they need it or not. And the vaccines don't stop transmission, there was a massive outbreak at Harvard recently even though it had a 95%+ vaccination rate. Look at Florida, the most recent data shows they have some of the lowest infection/death rate despite never locking down and never forcing state wide mandates.

ev1 5y ago
It is not an experimental drug.
dragonwriter 5y ago
> the Federal Government having the power to take away someone's source of income for their family if they don't take an experimental drug, Cominarty is fully approved (its true that some products under EUA can also be used.) It is also not, legally, a drug. > Look at Florida, the most recent data shows they have some of the lowest infection/death rate despite never locking down and never forcing state wide mandates. Out of 56 US states and territories, Florida has the seventh highest 7-day per capita death rate, over 1.5× the national rate; hardly “some of the lowest”. It actually has a fairly low per capita newly-identified case rate, but that seems likely to be because the laxity of control measures is also making nonsevere cases less likely to be detected. https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/national/coronavirus-us-cases-deaths/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/national/corona...
- chana_masala 5y ago
  > Cominarty is fully approved (its true that some products under EUA can also be used.) Only you can't get it anywhere and BioNTech is considered legally distinct, so there's no available FDA approved vaccine at this time. Try calling Pfizer.
  - totesraunch 5y ago
    Legally distinct is not the same as chemically/biologically distinct.
    - chana_masala 5y ago
      We can't really know. Some of the proprietary ingredients are still unknown
  - dragonwriter 5y ago
    > Only you can't get it anywhere and BioNTech is considered legally distinct Which is interesting for some very esoteric legal reasons, but even to the extent that a formulation only allowed for non-investigatory use under an EUA rather than normal approval might approximately be said to be “experimental” (which is a fairly weak argument itself), the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine, which is an identical formulation to the fully-approved Cominarty, but legally distinct because packaging is legally significant in drugs and biologics, would still not be “experimental”.
RL_Quine 5y ago
There is nothing experimental about the mRNA vaccines.