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Read carefully. The immunity for people after both catching covid AND getting vaccinated is higher than those just getting vaccinated (without catching covid fi

by aabhay 5y ago

Read carefully. The immunity for people after both catching covid AND getting vaccinated is higher than those just getting vaccinated (without catching covid first).

22c 5y ago
Yes but there's also plenty of evidence to suggest that simply getting covid is enough to get better immunity against future infection. This article leads you to believe that it's recovering from covid + getting vaccinated == super-immunity, but I suspect the "getting vaccinated" part is not the significant factor in this equation.
- tzs 5y ago
  > Yes but there's also plenty of evidence to suggest that simply getting covid is enough to get better immunity against future infection. The immunity conferred by getting COVID is quite variable from person to person, with some getting strong immunity and some getting little immunity depending on the particulars of their particular infection [1]. [1] https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/if-youve-already-had-covid-do-you-need-a-vaccine/ https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/if-youve-already-h...
  - WillSlim95 5y ago
    And relying on getting COVID to get immunity to COVID 19 is akin to playing Russian roulette.
    - sk2020 5y ago
      I don’t think there are many wheel guns that would give you 249,999/250,000 odds of survival. The number of people killed or injured by mRNA treatments is also not zero.
      - WillSlim95 5y ago
        Sure tell that to the families of those who died from COVID19. Getting vaccinated is a much better way to get protection from COVID. I knew quite some folks who were hit by COVID twice, tell them that they were better off suffering through COVID twice instead of relying on the vaccine.
        helloworld11 5y ago
        If I told you that it's extremely unlikely that you would die by rhino attack while going on a vacation to southern Africa, and your answer to that was "tell that to the family of X random guy who got trampled to death", as a reason for why you think i'm insane for saying you shouldn't be paranoid about African vacations, your argument would be obviously derided for being obsessive about focusing on only one abnormal thing. But apply the same logic to COVID and suddenly you think it's perfectly valid. It isn't. The vast majority of people who get the illness recover completely, and if you exclude the elderly, the statistical odds of recovery increase immensely. For the very young, they really are in the range of hundreds of thousands to one against dying.
        WillSlim95 5y ago
        Yeah poor analogy here, you can choose to not go to Southern Africa, you cannot will for COVID to not infect you. Why should we not be eager for vaccines when they are available for such a highly infectious disease. Flip the scenario, during the second wave in India, we were one of the few families in our neighborhood who were lucky that no family members caught COVID. All the local hospitals were filled, a large number of people we know survived but there were people who died around 4-5% of the people we knew who were infected and 40% who came very close to dying. The Delta variant arrived when a significant part of the elderly population had been vaccinated. You should recheck the your stats about the elderly, the second wave was brutal to under 40 folks as a good number of above 40 people had been vaccinated by the time the second wave hit. Sure COVID might have a low fatality rate of 2-3% but 2-3% of a very huge population getting infected by a rapidly infectious disease is still a humungous number.
- sk2020 5y ago
  I think the hope is to market pharmaceutical products to people who do not currently see a benefit to them given their naturally acquired antibodies. Large quantities of product is expiring soon, and market share must be expanded as quickly as possible to avoid that cost.
dnautics 5y ago
think carefully. Why is this surprising again? Two exposure events should elicit a stronger reaction than one, three stronger than two, etc. Hell, it's even in the article: "It’s not surprising that people infected and vaccinated are getting a nice response" -some doctor.
- kevin_thibedeau 5y ago
  People seem to think that there's just one antibody that everybody shares when they are vaccinated or develop natural immunity. You can readily develop different sets of antibodies from separate exposure events.
  - dnautics 5y ago
    The better diversity of antibodies you have against a target, you get compounding synergistic protection and protection against mutational escape on the part of the virus. And a natural virus with all it's parts is going to elicit a more diverse collection of antibodies than a spike-protein targeted vaccine. This should be absolutely unsurprising.
  - esyir 5y ago
    I'd blame that on the popular media, which portrays antibodies as carefully tuned single agents rather than the randomly generated pile that they are.

by aabhay 5y ago

Read carefully. The immunity for people after both catching covid AND getting vaccinated is higher than those just getting vaccinated (without catching covid first).

22c 5y ago

Yes but there's also plenty of evidence to suggest that simply getting covid is enough to get better immunity against future infection. This article leads you to believe that it's recovering from covid + getting vaccinated == super-immunity, but I suspect the "getting vaccinated" part is not the significant factor in this equation.

tzs 5y ago
> Yes but there's also plenty of evidence to suggest that simply getting covid is enough to get better immunity against future infection. The immunity conferred by getting COVID is quite variable from person to person, with some getting strong immunity and some getting little immunity depending on the particulars of their particular infection [1]. [1] https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/if-youve-already-had-covid-do-you-need-a-vaccine/ https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/if-youve-already-h...
- WillSlim95 5y ago
  And relying on getting COVID to get immunity to COVID 19 is akin to playing Russian roulette.
  - sk2020 5y ago
    I don’t think there are many wheel guns that would give you 249,999/250,000 odds of survival. The number of people killed or injured by mRNA treatments is also not zero.
    - WillSlim95 5y ago
      Sure tell that to the families of those who died from COVID19. Getting vaccinated is a much better way to get protection from COVID. I knew quite some folks who were hit by COVID twice, tell them that they were better off suffering through COVID twice instead of relying on the vaccine.
      - helloworld11 5y ago
        If I told you that it's extremely unlikely that you would die by rhino attack while going on a vacation to southern Africa, and your answer to that was "tell that to the family of X random guy who got trampled to death", as a reason for why you think i'm insane for saying you shouldn't be paranoid about African vacations, your argument would be obviously derided for being obsessive about focusing on only one abnormal thing. But apply the same logic to COVID and suddenly you think it's perfectly valid. It isn't. The vast majority of people who get the illness recover completely, and if you exclude the elderly, the statistical odds of recovery increase immensely. For the very young, they really are in the range of hundreds of thousands to one against dying.
        WillSlim95 5y ago
        Yeah poor analogy here, you can choose to not go to Southern Africa, you cannot will for COVID to not infect you. Why should we not be eager for vaccines when they are available for such a highly infectious disease. Flip the scenario, during the second wave in India, we were one of the few families in our neighborhood who were lucky that no family members caught COVID. All the local hospitals were filled, a large number of people we know survived but there were people who died around 4-5% of the people we knew who were infected and 40% who came very close to dying. The Delta variant arrived when a significant part of the elderly population had been vaccinated. You should recheck the your stats about the elderly, the second wave was brutal to under 40 folks as a good number of above 40 people had been vaccinated by the time the second wave hit. Sure COVID might have a low fatality rate of 2-3% but 2-3% of a very huge population getting infected by a rapidly infectious disease is still a humungous number.
sk2020 5y ago
I think the hope is to market pharmaceutical products to people who do not currently see a benefit to them given their naturally acquired antibodies. Large quantities of product is expiring soon, and market share must be expanded as quickly as possible to avoid that cost.

dnautics 5y ago

think carefully. Why is this surprising again? Two exposure events should elicit a stronger reaction than one, three stronger than two, etc. Hell, it's even in the article: "It’s not surprising that people infected and vaccinated are getting a nice response" -some doctor.

kevin_thibedeau 5y ago
People seem to think that there's just one antibody that everybody shares when they are vaccinated or develop natural immunity. You can readily develop different sets of antibodies from separate exposure events.
- dnautics 5y ago
  The better diversity of antibodies you have against a target, you get compounding synergistic protection and protection against mutational escape on the part of the virus. And a natural virus with all it's parts is going to elicit a more diverse collection of antibodies than a spike-protein targeted vaccine. This should be absolutely unsurprising.
- esyir 5y ago
  I'd blame that on the popular media, which portrays antibodies as carefully tuned single agents rather than the randomly generated pile that they are.