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Nailed for being the only guy stupid enough to write instant messages bragging about misleading the FAA. As a longtime corporate grunt, I can guess exactly how
by civilized 5y ago
Nailed for being the only guy stupid enough to write instant messages bragging about misleading the FAA.
As a longtime corporate grunt, I can guess exactly how management leaned on him. He should have left and let the scumbags find another patsy to do their dirty work.
- steveBK123 5y agoExactly. There's a reason when you deal with people senior enough in any big organization that everything is verbal...
- newsclues 5y agoAnd there is a reason why lawyers exist.
- lotsofpulp 5y agoI do not know if these discussions happened in WA, but WA had one party consent audio recording laws instead of all party consent, then executives would be more wary of instructing underlings to do something illegal.
- steveBK123 5y agosure but thats like 1 in 1000 but putting stuff in text/IM/email is instantly discovered if anything ever goes to trial and there is electronic discovery
- cptskippy 5y agoUnless your corporate retention policy is only 6 months. I setup an archive to keep important emails around only to find out our retention policy had been applied to it. Once an org gets burned by discovery in a lawsuit they go to great lengths to ensure it will never happen again.
- ttyprintk 5y agoI suspect the regulatory environment in aviation is the strictest any developer faces.
- JshWright 5y agolaughes in healthcare
- Cerium 5y agoNot sure about your healthcare, but the healthcare company I work for is full of ex-aviation engineers who are happy to comply with our regulatory requirements.
- cptskippy 5y agoI have something like 8 years worth of free credit monitoring from all of the healthcare providers who got breached lost my family's information.
- lazide 5y agoAs long as they don’t see who is printing out their emails, still possible to CYA - but it does draw a giant target on ones back if you’re obvious about it.
- systemvoltage 5y agoAre there any downsides to this?
- AlexCoventry 5y agoLoss of institutional memory encoded in the destroyed records.
- dehrmann 5y agoIn a broad sense, not specifically related to not retaining data as a legal protection, institutional memory is somewhat overrated because of how much low-value content is retained and how it was a snapshot of how a different world was understood.
- lotsofpulp 5y agoNone that I have been able to come up with. Two or more party consent audio recording laws only serve to provide people with power more protection.
- falcor84 5y agoJust to nitpick, you probably mean 'oral'
- steveBK123 5y agocorrect
- peanutz454 5y agoWow! TIL! I always use 'verbal' when I actually mean 'oral'.
- TheSpiceIsLife 5y agoAccording to the Oxford English Dictionary: Verbal: oral, spoken rather than written. You’ve been using verbal correctly.
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- 2OEH8eoCRo0 5y agoNot sure I agree. Look at all these court cases producing juicy emails from tech giants.
- imajoredinecon 5y agoMany of those juicy emails are from before the past few years' wave of tech lawsuits. At least at the entry level, I think a lot of the "don't say the word 'competition'" training started as a reaction to relatively recent legal tangles - it wouldn't be surprising if people at the senior level also have gotten more careful about how they communicate.
- lazide 5y agoI remember getting the ‘be careful how you communicate’ training at a FAANG over a decade ago, it’s well known CYA every place I’ve been at. That said, people get complacent and then wham - front page of the New York Times saying something dumb.
- refurb 5y ago“Never write if you can speak; never speak if you can nod; never nod if you can wink, never wink if you can do nothing.”
- maybelsyrup 5y agoWhat's this from?
- stordoff 5y agoIt seems to be a quote, or a variation on a quote, from Martin Lomasney: > Lomasney once advised a young follower, "Don't write when you can talk; don't talk when you can nod your head."[1] The West End Museum[2] attributes the longer quote to him. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Lomasney https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Lomasney referencing https://www.jstor.org/stable/361565 https://www.jstor.org/stable/361565 [2] https://thewestendmuseum.org/the-life-legend-and-lessons-of-martin-lomasney-ward-boss-west-end-icon/ https://thewestendmuseum.org/the-life-legend-and-lessons-of-...
- jmnicolas 5y agoIt reminds me of Lenin signing lists of people to be executed and when asked later about it, saying that his signature was just to show he had read the list not to approve of executions.
- pxx 5y agoRemember, the "I" in "IM" stands for "incriminating".
- anitil 5y agoAnd the 'e' in 'email' stands for 'evidence'
- trevmckendrick 5y agoSource?
- civilized 5y agohttps://www.seattletimes.com/business/boeing-aerospace/explosive-text-messages-reveal-boeing-knew-of-mcas-aggression-in-2016-and-misled-faa/ https://www.seattletimes.com/business/boeing-aerospace/explo... This source says text messages. Thought I saw instant messages somewhere else.
- TheSpiceIsLife 5y agoI’d consider SMS to be a form of IM.
- caf 5y agoI don't think Chief Technical Pilot is a corporate grunt. It is a management position.
- ImprovedSilence 5y agoBut without a doubt there would still be (even more) pressure on him from his bosses in that CTP position.
- KarlKemp 5y agoThe chief pilot is management.
- verytrivial 5y agoLet's hope he sings like a bird.