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> Voter ID generally isn't supposed to be proof of residence, its proof of identity Super convenient if you would like to vote a few dozen times in different p

by m0zg 5y ago

> Voter ID generally isn't supposed to be proof of residence, its proof of identity Super convenient if you would like to vote a few dozen times in different places, I'm sure, but that's not what it's "supposed to be" at all. I want people voting exactly once, and _only_ where they are residents, and _only_ if they are US citizens. That's the law.

Talanes 5y ago
What keeps these hypothetical people from just fraudulently getting a second state's driving license while they're already fraudulently registering to vote?
- UncleEntity 5y ago
  Because that’s really hard to do. You have to prove residency (electric bill or something) and they invalidate your former driver’s license so you can’t do something like just hop across the border and get a new license because you lost your last one for whatever reason.
  - JasonCannon 5y ago
    Who is they? Because drivers licenses are issues by the State, not by a federal entity. Also, I didn't prove my address with an electric bill or anything when I got my license. They asked me where I lived, I told them. I could have easily lied, and still gotten my license.
- diebeforei485 5y ago
  There are shared databases of drivers licenses across states, so you're going to have a hard time getting a new license without handing in your old one from your previous state. Some databases also include Canadian provinces.
not2b 5y ago
A driver's license isn't proof of residence, as you might have moved since you got it. When you register to vote you need to prove you have the right to. When you show up at the polls, you need to prove you're the person who registered. ID is one way. Another is by signature, does your signature match the one you used when you registered. A third is that the poll workers know you by sight, which used to be common in small towns. People voting multiple times isn't really a risk, because it's incredibly stupid. It's a felony, so if you get caught, you go to jail. But if you get away with it, you've flipped one vote, and even a very close election isn't going to be settled by a couple of votes. There were a very small handful of people who got caught voting twice in the 2020 election, or casting someone else's ballot: two or three in Georgia and in Pennsylvania. Most voted twice for Trump.
- dahfizz 5y ago
  > A driver's license isn't proof of residence, as you might have moved since you got it. Slightly tangential, but you are required by law to get a new license when you move to a new state. And the DMV will take your old license when they give you the new one. You can move around within a state and have a stale address on your license pretty easily, though.
  - dragonwriter 5y ago
    You can retain an old, out of state drivers license just as easily under an old in-state one in oractice, and legally you are usually required to change your address on your in-state license at least as soon after a change in in-state residential address as you are required to get an in-state license when establishing residency.
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throwaway0a5e 5y ago
I'd be less concerned about people double voting and very concerned about large institutions pulling strings to have polling places locally enough It's not hard to imagine how a rural university or large manufacturing facility could sway things in state level elections if a ton of people went across the street to vote on lunch break rather then went home and voted at home after work/school thereby changing what district they vote in.
UncleMeat 5y ago
How would you? You register separately and during that process they check your residency. If you aren't registered to vote in another district then when you show up to vote you won't be on the rolls.
- koheripbal 5y ago
  No, they do not re-check your residency each year. Generally, you stay on the rolls until you die, remove yourself, or don't vote for several years.
  - UncleMeat 5y ago
    I don't know why a ID requirement would change that, as you don't update IDs every year. If I managed to get registered in multiple locations then voting with a freaking passport wouldn't stop me from voting at both locations. But since voting records are public, this would be trivially detectable.
- phy6 5y ago
  When you show up to vote in a non-voter-id state, you only have to give your name. Any one could have shown up in my place and voted in my name, because no ID was allowed to be show. This was made more apparent when I reached for my wallet instinctively as I gave my name, and they gestured with hands out that "we don't check for ID".
  - UncleMeat 5y ago
    Sure. But this is completely independent of the discussion above, which is about voting in multiple locations despite showing proof of identity. What the poster wants is to provide both proof of identity and proof of residency at the polling place. People sign when they vote and signatures can be matched against registrations. When we examine this, we don't find a large number of people performing voter impersonation.

by m0zg 5y ago

Talanes 5y ago

What keeps these hypothetical people from just fraudulently getting a second state's driving license while they're already fraudulently registering to vote?

UncleEntity 5y ago
Because that’s really hard to do. You have to prove residency (electric bill or something) and they invalidate your former driver’s license so you can’t do something like just hop across the border and get a new license because you lost your last one for whatever reason.
- JasonCannon 5y ago
  Who is they? Because drivers licenses are issues by the State, not by a federal entity. Also, I didn't prove my address with an electric bill or anything when I got my license. They asked me where I lived, I told them. I could have easily lied, and still gotten my license.
diebeforei485 5y ago
There are shared databases of drivers licenses across states, so you're going to have a hard time getting a new license without handing in your old one from your previous state. Some databases also include Canadian provinces.

not2b 5y ago

A driver's license isn't proof of residence, as you might have moved since you got it. When you register to vote you need to prove you have the right to. When you show up at the polls, you need to prove you're the person who registered. ID is one way. Another is by signature, does your signature match the one you used when you registered. A third is that the poll workers know you by sight, which used to be common in small towns. People voting multiple times isn't really a risk, because it's incredibly stupid. It's a felony, so if you get caught, you go to jail. But if you get away with it, you've flipped one vote, and even a very close election isn't going to be settled by a couple of votes. There were a very small handful of people who got caught voting twice in the 2020 election, or casting someone else's ballot: two or three in Georgia and in Pennsylvania. Most voted twice for Trump.

dahfizz 5y ago
> A driver's license isn't proof of residence, as you might have moved since you got it. Slightly tangential, but you are required by law to get a new license when you move to a new state. And the DMV will take your old license when they give you the new one. You can move around within a state and have a stale address on your license pretty easily, though.
- dragonwriter 5y ago
  You can retain an old, out of state drivers license just as easily under an old in-state one in oractice, and legally you are usually required to change your address on your in-state license at least as soon after a change in in-state residential address as you are required to get an in-state license when establishing residency.

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throwaway0a5e 5y ago

I'd be less concerned about people double voting and very concerned about large institutions pulling strings to have polling places locally enough It's not hard to imagine how a rural university or large manufacturing facility could sway things in state level elections if a ton of people went across the street to vote on lunch break rather then went home and voted at home after work/school thereby changing what district they vote in.

UncleMeat 5y ago

How would you? You register separately and during that process they check your residency. If you aren't registered to vote in another district then when you show up to vote you won't be on the rolls.

koheripbal 5y ago
No, they do not re-check your residency each year. Generally, you stay on the rolls until you die, remove yourself, or don't vote for several years.
- UncleMeat 5y ago
  I don't know why a ID requirement would change that, as you don't update IDs every year. If I managed to get registered in multiple locations then voting with a freaking passport wouldn't stop me from voting at both locations. But since voting records are public, this would be trivially detectable.
phy6 5y ago
When you show up to vote in a non-voter-id state, you only have to give your name. Any one could have shown up in my place and voted in my name, because no ID was allowed to be show. This was made more apparent when I reached for my wallet instinctively as I gave my name, and they gestured with hands out that "we don't check for ID".
- UncleMeat 5y ago
  Sure. But this is completely independent of the discussion above, which is about voting in multiple locations despite showing proof of identity. What the poster wants is to provide both proof of identity and proof of residency at the polling place. People sign when they vote and signatures can be matched against registrations. When we examine this, we don't find a large number of people performing voter impersonation.