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> Allowing college students with an out of state drivers license to vote with their college ID guarantees them TWO votes- because they can legally file a mail i

> Allowing college students with an out of state drivers license to vote with their college ID guarantees them TWO votes- because they can legally file a mail in vote to the state they have that driver's license in. Isn't that an (easily detectable) felony?

zdragnar 5y ago
It is only detectable if anyone is looking, and getting audits done that cross state lines (each state effectively runs its own election) is not something we are currently equipped to handle.
- pseudalopex 5y ago
  States track each other's voter registrations and postal change of address forms to detect duplicate registrations. You seem equipped to handle strengthening that. You don't seem equipped to require specific ID documents without disenfranchising people.
- ModernMech 5y ago
  There are plenty of people looking though. There was a federal commission set up in 2017 to investigate this idea and they disbanded because they couldn’t make any progress in the direction the administration wanted (the finding of fraud). People forget Trump claimed there was fraud in the 2016 election that he won. He said there were people bussed to New England to which caused him to lose there. How did no one witness this massive fraud? How is there no record? Where did the busses come from? Where did the money come from? It should be a cursory issue to verify some of these claims, and yet every effort to do so is scuttled when the evidence doesn’t show. We just went through a 6 months long audit of the results in Arizona’s Maricopa county. The auditors there claimed massive fraud that would have flipped the election occurred. After much fanfare for months, they quietly packed up shop and did everything they could to avoid mentioning their conclusions were that the results of the previous audit were upheld. I’ve been hearing about the voter id debate since I was in high school decades ago, and still no evidence this behavior is occurring. It’s well enough to conjecture this thing might be occurring, but eventually after decades you need to put up the evidence.
- paulmd 5y ago
  People are absolutely looking. It's routinely detected when republicans who believe this nonsense decide to give it a try. Often they are even lawmakers! Pro tip never get high on your own supply, there, chief. But I get that state legislatures are cowtown nobodies and yeah they often actually are dumb enough to believe the prolefeed. https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/559812-ohio-republican-official-said-he-made-honest-error-in-voting-twice https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/559812-ohio-republi... https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/crime-and-courts/2017/07/07/iowa-woman-charged-voting-twice-trump-pleads-guilty/459718001/ https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/crime-and-court... https://www.dailylocal.com/2021/01/14/chester-county-man-facing-trial-for-voter-fraud-says-he-was-tricked-into-voting-twice/ https://www.dailylocal.com/2021/01/14/chester-county-man-fac... https://www.azmirror.com/2021/07/13/vote-fraud-scottsdale-woman-indicted-for-casting-dead-mothers-ballot/ https://www.azmirror.com/2021/07/13/vote-fraud-scottsdale-wo... https://www.newsweek.com/man-charged-voting-dead-mother-trump-3rd-case-voter-fraud-pennsylvania-1556553 https://www.newsweek.com/man-charged-voting-dead-mother-trum... https://madison.com/wsj/news/local/govt-and-politics/fraud-charges-brought-in-2nd-wisconsin-2020-election-case/article_7bb87cc4-bd62-5b88-b38e-10bbee9e13ad.html https://madison.com/wsj/news/local/govt-and-politics/fraud-c... Whether you voted is public record, and literally anyone can pull death records as well, and compare the two. Mostly not a match, but every now and then it turns up a few republicans who thought they'd "even the score" since "it's so easy to get away with".

zdragnar 5y ago

It is only detectable if anyone is looking, and getting audits done that cross state lines (each state effectively runs its own election) is not something we are currently equipped to handle.

pseudalopex 5y ago
States track each other's voter registrations and postal change of address forms to detect duplicate registrations. You seem equipped to handle strengthening that. You don't seem equipped to require specific ID documents without disenfranchising people.
ModernMech 5y ago
There are plenty of people looking though. There was a federal commission set up in 2017 to investigate this idea and they disbanded because they couldn’t make any progress in the direction the administration wanted (the finding of fraud). People forget Trump claimed there was fraud in the 2016 election that he won. He said there were people bussed to New England to which caused him to lose there. How did no one witness this massive fraud? How is there no record? Where did the busses come from? Where did the money come from? It should be a cursory issue to verify some of these claims, and yet every effort to do so is scuttled when the evidence doesn’t show. We just went through a 6 months long audit of the results in Arizona’s Maricopa county. The auditors there claimed massive fraud that would have flipped the election occurred. After much fanfare for months, they quietly packed up shop and did everything they could to avoid mentioning their conclusions were that the results of the previous audit were upheld. I’ve been hearing about the voter id debate since I was in high school decades ago, and still no evidence this behavior is occurring. It’s well enough to conjecture this thing might be occurring, but eventually after decades you need to put up the evidence.
paulmd 5y ago
People are absolutely looking. It's routinely detected when republicans who believe this nonsense decide to give it a try. Often they are even lawmakers! Pro tip never get high on your own supply, there, chief. But I get that state legislatures are cowtown nobodies and yeah they often actually are dumb enough to believe the prolefeed. https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/559812-ohio-republican-official-said-he-made-honest-error-in-voting-twice https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/559812-ohio-republi... https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/crime-and-courts/2017/07/07/iowa-woman-charged-voting-twice-trump-pleads-guilty/459718001/ https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/crime-and-court... https://www.dailylocal.com/2021/01/14/chester-county-man-facing-trial-for-voter-fraud-says-he-was-tricked-into-voting-twice/ https://www.dailylocal.com/2021/01/14/chester-county-man-fac... https://www.azmirror.com/2021/07/13/vote-fraud-scottsdale-woman-indicted-for-casting-dead-mothers-ballot/ https://www.azmirror.com/2021/07/13/vote-fraud-scottsdale-wo... https://www.newsweek.com/man-charged-voting-dead-mother-trump-3rd-case-voter-fraud-pennsylvania-1556553 https://www.newsweek.com/man-charged-voting-dead-mother-trum... https://madison.com/wsj/news/local/govt-and-politics/fraud-charges-brought-in-2nd-wisconsin-2020-election-case/article_7bb87cc4-bd62-5b88-b38e-10bbee9e13ad.html https://madison.com/wsj/news/local/govt-and-politics/fraud-c... Whether you voted is public record, and literally anyone can pull death records as well, and compare the two. Mostly not a match, but every now and then it turns up a few republicans who thought they'd "even the score" since "it's so easy to get away with".