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There's GrapheneOS

by kova12 5y ago

There's GrapheneOS

whyrusleeping 5y ago
> GrapheneOS is compatible with several Google Pixel smartphones. That doesn't bode well for things working all that well. As someone who ran linux on chromebook for two years, then on a macbook for three, i'm a bit burnt out on this sort of thing.
- dylan604 5y ago
  It's like a rite of passage or something to hack and then install your own thing fighting harder than a salmon swimming up stream. There's a lot to be learned in the doing to be sure. It's the full of piss&vinegar stage of life. Eventually, you get tired of the time required to fight it, and just need something to work. Does that mean the man won? Maybe. However, I look at it like I won on finally becoming mature enough to realize that there are things much more important in life than banging my head on that particular brick wall. Just my $0.02 of grandpa ranting. Get off my lawn!
  - dTal 5y ago
    I'm not sure that enjoyment of the latest tech toys is more important than the fight for freedom, to be honest.
    - dylan604 5y ago
      If that's the fight you are fighting, then by all means keep up the fight. Being able to do basic computer activities privately is a definite need. Hacking what's essentially a gaming device from FB is just not that critical to me.
      - emptysongglass 5y ago
        Every other VR device doesn't require logging on to the greatest destroyer of social cohesion the world has ever seen so I'm not sure what "the chore" here is. Just buy literally any other VR headset that isn't prefixed with the word Oculus.
  - ekianjo 5y ago
    > need something to work things can work and respect your freedom at the same time. its not like either or.
    - dTal 5y ago
      It is always nice when the idealistic choice lines up with the exciting, or pragmatic choice. Sadly, in the world of hardware at least, this is seldom the case.
  - reasonabl_human 5y ago
    Couldn’t agree more. Recently hit the stage of needing things to ‘just work’ to free up time in other directions, whereas I used to constantly load new roms from xda onto a rooted pixel, or tinker with getting coreboot to run on an old thinkpad with arch.. Now it’s iOS / macOS / iCloud and a headless Ubuntu box. Never been more productive and never had more free time. Choose your battles.
revolvingocelot 5y ago
...which is doomed to death whenever Google stops with the security updates for the very specific hardware it runs on. In fairness, IIRC, this is actually the fault of Qualcomm providing, and eventually ceasing to provide, Google with hardware security updates of some sort. The point is that these fun projects to circumvent baked-in awfulness are practically destined to stop working properly due to the nature of the hardware itself. It's always better, if possible, to support the non-awful varietal. In this case, I guess that's "almost any other VR headset, lacking a login requirement". Does Steam count?
- ekianjo 5y ago
  So on phone the only real alternative is SailFishOS ?
  - opan 5y ago
    Check out postmarketOS, Mobian, and NixOS Mobile. They support some OnePlus phones and a few others in addition to the PinePhone and Librem 5. pmOS has the most devices supported (although amount of stuff working varies per device). Sailfish uses a proprietary UI, so I hesitate to recommend it. There's an alternative that replaces their UI, can't recall the name right now.
    - khimaros 5y ago
      Nemo
    - ekianjo 5y ago
      all the things you mentioned are hardly production ready though. PostmarketOS compatibility has issues on tons of devices, and Mobian can't run much applications anyway.
    - m4rtink 5y ago
      Indeed, eventually a fully open mature mobile distro will replace Sailfish OS, but at the moment its the only reasonably open mobile OS fit for daily use.
gremloni 5y ago
How is this a resonable option? There are two mature ecosystems and really nothing can compare right now.
- kova12 5y ago
  And how do you think we will be getting third mature ecosystem if we never try anything? Complaining is easy
  - gremloni 5y ago
    Yeah the whole chicken and the egg thing. I don’t know but I don’t want to have a hamstrung ecosystem right now
  - dylan604 5y ago
    Someone with deep pockets to counter the PR machine that is Apple. That's the only way. Of course, this means having an actual working product for that PR to promote. It also means having a way of installing it without some scary voiding warranty notice.
    - gremloni 5y ago
      I don’t think apple should go anywhere. There should just be more than 2 options

There's GrapheneOS

by kova12 5y ago

There's GrapheneOS

> GrapheneOS is compatible with several Google Pixel smartphones. That doesn't bode well for things working all that well. As someone who ran linux on chromebook for two years, then on a macbook for three, i'm a bit burnt out on this sort of thing.

dylan604 5y ago
It's like a rite of passage or something to hack and then install your own thing fighting harder than a salmon swimming up stream. There's a lot to be learned in the doing to be sure. It's the full of piss&vinegar stage of life. Eventually, you get tired of the time required to fight it, and just need something to work. Does that mean the man won? Maybe. However, I look at it like I won on finally becoming mature enough to realize that there are things much more important in life than banging my head on that particular brick wall. Just my $0.02 of grandpa ranting. Get off my lawn!
- dTal 5y ago
  I'm not sure that enjoyment of the latest tech toys is more important than the fight for freedom, to be honest.
  - dylan604 5y ago
    If that's the fight you are fighting, then by all means keep up the fight. Being able to do basic computer activities privately is a definite need. Hacking what's essentially a gaming device from FB is just not that critical to me.
    - emptysongglass 5y ago
      Every other VR device doesn't require logging on to the greatest destroyer of social cohesion the world has ever seen so I'm not sure what "the chore" here is. Just buy literally any other VR headset that isn't prefixed with the word Oculus.
- ekianjo 5y ago
  > need something to work things can work and respect your freedom at the same time. its not like either or.
  - dTal 5y ago
    It is always nice when the idealistic choice lines up with the exciting, or pragmatic choice. Sadly, in the world of hardware at least, this is seldom the case.
- reasonabl_human 5y ago
  Couldn’t agree more. Recently hit the stage of needing things to ‘just work’ to free up time in other directions, whereas I used to constantly load new roms from xda onto a rooted pixel, or tinker with getting coreboot to run on an old thinkpad with arch.. Now it’s iOS / macOS / iCloud and a headless Ubuntu box. Never been more productive and never had more free time. Choose your battles.

revolvingocelot 5y ago

...which is doomed to death whenever Google stops with the security updates for the very specific hardware it runs on. In fairness, IIRC, this is actually the fault of Qualcomm providing, and eventually ceasing to provide, Google with hardware security updates of some sort. The point is that these fun projects to circumvent baked-in awfulness are practically destined to stop working properly due to the nature of the hardware itself. It's always better, if possible, to support the non-awful varietal. In this case, I guess that's "almost any other VR headset, lacking a login requirement". Does Steam count?

ekianjo 5y ago
So on phone the only real alternative is SailFishOS ?
- opan 5y ago
  Check out postmarketOS, Mobian, and NixOS Mobile. They support some OnePlus phones and a few others in addition to the PinePhone and Librem 5. pmOS has the most devices supported (although amount of stuff working varies per device). Sailfish uses a proprietary UI, so I hesitate to recommend it. There's an alternative that replaces their UI, can't recall the name right now.
  - khimaros 5y ago
    Nemo
  - ekianjo 5y ago
    all the things you mentioned are hardly production ready though. PostmarketOS compatibility has issues on tons of devices, and Mobian can't run much applications anyway.
  - m4rtink 5y ago
    Indeed, eventually a fully open mature mobile distro will replace Sailfish OS, but at the moment its the only reasonably open mobile OS fit for daily use.

gremloni 5y ago

How is this a resonable option? There are two mature ecosystems and really nothing can compare right now.

kova12 5y ago
And how do you think we will be getting third mature ecosystem if we never try anything? Complaining is easy
- gremloni 5y ago
  Yeah the whole chicken and the egg thing. I don’t know but I don’t want to have a hamstrung ecosystem right now
- dylan604 5y ago
  Someone with deep pockets to counter the PR machine that is Apple. That's the only way. Of course, this means having an actual working product for that PR to promote. It also means having a way of installing it without some scary voiding warranty notice.
  - gremloni 5y ago
    I don’t think apple should go anywhere. There should just be more than 2 options