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to be absolutely clear i am not making excuses for anyone or anything. no matter who does it, trying to prevent your opponents from having access to voting is d

to be absolutely clear i am not making excuses for anyone or anything. no matter who does it, trying to prevent your opponents from having access to voting is despicable. my point is to say that this isn't a party problem, a side problem or a group problem, it's a humans and power problem. people will just do stuff like this. the suggestion of the person i was responding to was that it's only a single group of people that are doing this specifically saying historically. my point is that it is a specific group right now, it was a different specific group in the past and it will be a different specfic group in the future and it's always bad. i think we almost entirely agree with each other.

munk-a 5y ago
I don't know if I totally agree with that though - while most parties in power around the world do take steps to cement that power though shady means it goes to a real extreme in the US - Canada certainly hasn't been free from election scandals[1]. Additionally, all sorts of authoritarians definitely do a lot worse than the US by wholly suspending elections or otherwise entirely rigging the system. That all said, for a democracy, America seems to be taking it to an extreme. And, in America at least, these voter restrictions have always historically minimized the black vote. So I do think there is one group that has been consistently quite happy with voting limitations - they aren't the republican party, but they currently find refuge under its wings. 1. This last election has been (IMO fairly) decried as a waste of taxpayer money and a move that endangered the public simply to strengthen Liberal dominance (even if it failed hilariously).
vel0city 5y ago
Its the same group of people though, they just changed which party they aligned with in the LBJ-Goldwater election in 1964. Take a look at the map of 1960 and a map of the election in 1968. They look the same, its just the colors got inverted.

munk-a 5y ago

I don't know if I totally agree with that though - while most parties in power around the world do take steps to cement that power though shady means it goes to a real extreme in the US - Canada certainly hasn't been free from election scandals[1]. Additionally, all sorts of authoritarians definitely do a lot worse than the US by wholly suspending elections or otherwise entirely rigging the system. That all said, for a democracy, America seems to be taking it to an extreme. And, in America at least, these voter restrictions have always historically minimized the black vote. So I do think there is one group that has been consistently quite happy with voting limitations - they aren't the republican party, but they currently find refuge under its wings. 1. This last election has been (IMO fairly) decried as a waste of taxpayer money and a move that endangered the public simply to strengthen Liberal dominance (even if it failed hilariously).

vel0city 5y ago

Its the same group of people though, they just changed which party they aligned with in the LBJ-Goldwater election in 1964. Take a look at the map of 1960 and a map of the election in 1968. They look the same, its just the colors got inverted.