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Because, thinking the existing of subjective experience that is any way special is just societal programming that claims that humans are special and important

Because, thinking the existing of subjective experience that is any way special is just societal programming that claims that humans are special and important in the universe. If you step away from the bias, there is no reason to think our consciousness is anything special. Who cares about subjective experience, it all disappears into the void when those chemical reactions stop.

oogabooga123 5y ago
All he’s saying is that as a subset of the universe, whatever words you want to apply to describe your subjective experience, apply equally to the universe, since you are part of the universe. Not sure what “special” has to do with it
ImprobableTruth 5y ago
Subjective experience can both be something real and also not something special in some magical sense. If subjective experience were really just an illusion, why would you care about what happens to yourself - hell, why would you even have a concept of 'yourself'?
- NikolaeVarius 5y ago
  I dont care what happens to me. If my consciousness stops its not my problem anymore anyway The illusion is here might as well go along until it stops
EMM_386 5y ago
> Because, thinking the existing of subjective experience that is any way special is just societal programming that claims that humans are special and important in the universe. This has absolutely nothing to do with humans, or even this planet. I have no "bias". We have trillions of stars in trillions of galaxies. I was talking about consciousness, zero to do with "societal programming". If you don't want it to be about humans than make it about planet X that is orbiting star Y in galaxy Z that has also evolved conscious beings. You don't think existing at all as a conscious entity in a vastly enormous, complex and strangely beautiful universe is "any way special"? We'll have to agree to disagree on that one!

oogabooga123 5y ago

All he’s saying is that as a subset of the universe, whatever words you want to apply to describe your subjective experience, apply equally to the universe, since you are part of the universe. Not sure what “special” has to do with it

ImprobableTruth 5y ago

Subjective experience can both be something real and also not something special in some magical sense. If subjective experience were really just an illusion, why would you care about what happens to yourself - hell, why would you even have a concept of 'yourself'?

NikolaeVarius 5y ago
I dont care what happens to me. If my consciousness stops its not my problem anymore anyway The illusion is here might as well go along until it stops

EMM_386 5y ago

> Because, thinking the existing of subjective experience that is any way special is just societal programming that claims that humans are special and important in the universe. This has absolutely nothing to do with humans, or even this planet. I have no "bias". We have trillions of stars in trillions of galaxies. I was talking about consciousness, zero to do with "societal programming". If you don't want it to be about humans than make it about planet X that is orbiting star Y in galaxy Z that has also evolved conscious beings. You don't think existing at all as a conscious entity in a vastly enormous, complex and strangely beautiful universe is "any way special"? We'll have to agree to disagree on that one!