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Yes, it is a felony, but how likely is someone to get caught? How likely is it there will be an audit or investigation? All it takes is a motivated group of pe

Yes, it is a felony, but how likely is someone to get caught? How likely is it there will be an audit or investigation? All it takes is a motivated group of people to pull off election fraud. Someone wouldn't be doing this solo. You don't think mobsters, corrupt politicians, or even foreign intelligence couldn't manage to sway close elections using this method?

bruceb 5y ago
I don't. I am happy to hear how it could be done if you want offer up any plausible scenario. To sway any election its needs to be done a couple thousand times at least. How exactly would that work? How many people could you recruit to do it and nobody says anything? How much would be paid per ballot cast?
- post_from_work 5y ago
  We could start by asking this guy: https://apnews.com/article/business-california-95b6935d64ab60da519e2296d46df99a https://apnews.com/article/business-california-95b6935d64ab6...
  - klyrs 5y ago
    Got caught, didn't tamper with the ballots, ballots were re-sent. Also, mail-in ballots don't have ID requirements. Nothingburger.
- BitwiseFool 5y ago
  Election fraud Chicago style: Illinois’ decades-old notoriety for election corruption is legendary https://www.salon.com/2016/02/14/election_fraud_chicago_style_illinois_decades_old_notoriety_for_election_corruption_is_legendary/ https://www.salon.com/2016/02/14/election_fraud_chicago_styl... I posted this elsewhere in the replies but it seems like an open secret. It seems like once the corruption reaches a critical mass, "the system" is no longer interested in thoroughly following up with fraud allegations. It stands to reason that once the politicians who are willing to commit fraud get elected, they appoint people to key positions that are in-debt to the political machine. Prosecutors have to decide whether or not to pursue an investigation. Judges can dismiss a fraud lawsuit for lack of merit or standing. I'm sure there are plenty of other ways to dismiss efforts to actually cut down on corruption, but I just wanted to name a few.
klyrs 5y ago
> You don't think mobsters, corrupt politicians, or even foreign intelligence couldn't manage to sway close elections using this method? No, because it's batshit stupid to involve large numbers of people in a conspiracy because the probability of a leak rapidly approaches 100% and your ability to track down the leak rapidly vanishes. Much safer to get a single operator inside the election administration -- "finding" and "losing" ballots, printing bad ballots that "accidentally" leave a candidate off, etc.
- BitwiseFool 5y ago
  Election fraud Chicago style: Illinois’ decades-old notoriety for election corruption is legendary https://www.salon.com/2016/02/14/election_fraud_chicago_style_illinois_decades_old_notoriety_for_election_corruption_is_legendary/ https://www.salon.com/2016/02/14/election_fraud_chicago_styl... Once the political machine has control over "the system", they can shield the grunts from consequences.
bastardoperator 5y ago
Motivated group? You mean 10's of thousands of Americans acting in a concerted effort as they travel from polling place to place to commit felonies? It's fantasy to think this can or will occur without people getting caught.

bruceb 5y ago

I don't. I am happy to hear how it could be done if you want offer up any plausible scenario. To sway any election its needs to be done a couple thousand times at least. How exactly would that work? How many people could you recruit to do it and nobody says anything? How much would be paid per ballot cast?

post_from_work 5y ago
We could start by asking this guy: https://apnews.com/article/business-california-95b6935d64ab60da519e2296d46df99a https://apnews.com/article/business-california-95b6935d64ab6...
- klyrs 5y ago
  Got caught, didn't tamper with the ballots, ballots were re-sent. Also, mail-in ballots don't have ID requirements. Nothingburger.
BitwiseFool 5y ago
Election fraud Chicago style: Illinois’ decades-old notoriety for election corruption is legendary https://www.salon.com/2016/02/14/election_fraud_chicago_style_illinois_decades_old_notoriety_for_election_corruption_is_legendary/ https://www.salon.com/2016/02/14/election_fraud_chicago_styl... I posted this elsewhere in the replies but it seems like an open secret. It seems like once the corruption reaches a critical mass, "the system" is no longer interested in thoroughly following up with fraud allegations. It stands to reason that once the politicians who are willing to commit fraud get elected, they appoint people to key positions that are in-debt to the political machine. Prosecutors have to decide whether or not to pursue an investigation. Judges can dismiss a fraud lawsuit for lack of merit or standing. I'm sure there are plenty of other ways to dismiss efforts to actually cut down on corruption, but I just wanted to name a few.

klyrs 5y ago

> You don't think mobsters, corrupt politicians, or even foreign intelligence couldn't manage to sway close elections using this method? No, because it's batshit stupid to involve large numbers of people in a conspiracy because the probability of a leak rapidly approaches 100% and your ability to track down the leak rapidly vanishes. Much safer to get a single operator inside the election administration -- "finding" and "losing" ballots, printing bad ballots that "accidentally" leave a candidate off, etc.

BitwiseFool 5y ago
Election fraud Chicago style: Illinois’ decades-old notoriety for election corruption is legendary https://www.salon.com/2016/02/14/election_fraud_chicago_style_illinois_decades_old_notoriety_for_election_corruption_is_legendary/ https://www.salon.com/2016/02/14/election_fraud_chicago_styl... Once the political machine has control over "the system", they can shield the grunts from consequences.

bastardoperator 5y ago

Motivated group? You mean 10's of thousands of Americans acting in a concerted effort as they travel from polling place to place to commit felonies? It's fantasy to think this can or will occur without people getting caught.