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There is no evidence that there is significant voter fraud anywhere in the US

by cowpig 5y ago

School-Cotton 5y ago
Is there evidence that there isn’t ? How would you tell? (Anecdotally, from talking to my friends and acquaintances from Arizona, I think at least one type of voter fraud is extremely widespread: remaining registered there even after you’ve moved away, because you want your vote to be in a purple state and therefore count more. Most people don’t even think of this as fraud.)
- jayd16 5y ago
  It would need to be incredibly good. So good that we never see failed wide spread fraud.
  - School-Cotton 5y ago
    For the example I mentioned, there is nobody really bothering to enforce the requirement, AFAICT.
    - ModernMech 5y ago
      Didn’t Arizona just undergo a very thorough audit from people very determined to find alleged fraud? Why didn’t they find the fraud you describe? I mean, they very loudly claimed they were going to prove fraud occurred and then went through a very public humiliation when they couldn’t after 6 months. I would think if there were a mountain of easily provable voter fraud just waiting to be found for anyone willing to look, they would have found it. Or is it your contention that even they didn’t think to investigate this? It’s just very frustrating to me that these kinds of claims have been made for decades, and actual laws are being passed predicated on these claims being true. Yet every time evidence is requested, it never turns up. Either this widespread, endemic fraud is so nefarious and perfectly executed that it can’t be detected, or it doesn’t exist at this point. Why isn’t it incumbent upon the people making these claims to prove them in court? Why can’t they do that? Massive fraud has been alleged at the highest levels of government and they can’t go in front of a federal judge and say that plainly. A lot of people are quick to make claims of fraud in front of cameras, but in front of a judge the word ‘fraud’ doesn’t leave their lips? Why? Until they argue a full-throated systematic voter fraud case on the scale they claim openly in a court of law, I don’t see why anyone should entertain these ideas anymore. It’s time to put up or shut up with the evidence. Millions of dollars spent, an entire party singularly devoted to finding and preventing fraud above any other legislative agenda, private corporations have been paid millions in taxpayer money to investigate this fraud. Privacy and voting rights are being trampled on in there name of finding and preventing this fraud. It’s not enough anymore to sit back and humor the people making these claims. Millions of people believe it exists and that has been perpetrated on a grand, international scale. There should be mountains of evidence that this kind of activity occurred but hardly a scintilla can be found. Why? because no one is looking hard enough? No. It’s not found because it is not there.

There is no evidence that there is significant voter fraud anywhere in the US

by cowpig 5y ago

There is no evidence that there is significant voter fraud anywhere in the US

Is there evidence that there isn’t ? How would you tell? (Anecdotally, from talking to my friends and acquaintances from Arizona, I think at least one type of voter fraud is extremely widespread: remaining registered there even after you’ve moved away, because you want your vote to be in a purple state and therefore count more. Most people don’t even think of this as fraud.)

jayd16 5y ago
It would need to be incredibly good. So good that we never see failed wide spread fraud.
- School-Cotton 5y ago
  For the example I mentioned, there is nobody really bothering to enforce the requirement, AFAICT.
  - ModernMech 5y ago
    Didn’t Arizona just undergo a very thorough audit from people very determined to find alleged fraud? Why didn’t they find the fraud you describe? I mean, they very loudly claimed they were going to prove fraud occurred and then went through a very public humiliation when they couldn’t after 6 months. I would think if there were a mountain of easily provable voter fraud just waiting to be found for anyone willing to look, they would have found it. Or is it your contention that even they didn’t think to investigate this? It’s just very frustrating to me that these kinds of claims have been made for decades, and actual laws are being passed predicated on these claims being true. Yet every time evidence is requested, it never turns up. Either this widespread, endemic fraud is so nefarious and perfectly executed that it can’t be detected, or it doesn’t exist at this point. Why isn’t it incumbent upon the people making these claims to prove them in court? Why can’t they do that? Massive fraud has been alleged at the highest levels of government and they can’t go in front of a federal judge and say that plainly. A lot of people are quick to make claims of fraud in front of cameras, but in front of a judge the word ‘fraud’ doesn’t leave their lips? Why? Until they argue a full-throated systematic voter fraud case on the scale they claim openly in a court of law, I don’t see why anyone should entertain these ideas anymore. It’s time to put up or shut up with the evidence. Millions of dollars spent, an entire party singularly devoted to finding and preventing fraud above any other legislative agenda, private corporations have been paid millions in taxpayer money to investigate this fraud. Privacy and voting rights are being trampled on in there name of finding and preventing this fraud. It’s not enough anymore to sit back and humor the people making these claims. Millions of people believe it exists and that has been perpetrated on a grand, international scale. There should be mountains of evidence that this kind of activity occurred but hardly a scintilla can be found. Why? because no one is looking hard enough? No. It’s not found because it is not there.