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I've never presented an ID to vote. As a registered voter I show up to the polling place, give them my name, and sign a book with my address at the time of regi
by bastardoperator 5y ago
I've never presented an ID to vote. As a registered voter I show up to the polling place, give them my name, and sign a book with my address at the time of registration. That's it. This includes needing a provisional ballot one time because I moved.
Each state is tasked with voter registration/validation. Why provide an ID at all when every single voter and vote is going to be verified against the established voter rolls anyways? Every state has a register/recorder office that validates eligibility to vote at the state and federal level that is far more thorough than asking volunteer poll workers to becoming poll police.
I don't know where you live, but it sounds like people are trying to stifle your voice with what amounts to BS.
- BitwiseFool 5y ago>"As a registered voter I show up to the polling place, give them my name, and sign a book with my address at the time of registration. That's it." This seems awfully not-secure.
- klyrs 5y agoInsecure enough to attract a significant number of people willing to risk a felony? Sounds like it would need a massive conspiracy (busloads of people faking signatures at multiple polling stations) to impact an election. Especially compared to the impact/effort of burning or "misplacing" a box of ballots.
- BitwiseFool 5y agoI'd say so. It's within the wheelhouse for organized crime. It is also something a foreign adversary could pull off with some partisan local support.
- bruceb 5y agoIts a felony to vote illegally. Your one vote isn't going to sway the election. The risk to reward ratio is so skewed there is not a problem of people claiming to be other people to cast a ballot.
- BitwiseFool 5y agoYes, it is a felony, but how likely is someone to get caught? How likely is it there will be an audit or investigation? All it takes is a motivated group of people to pull off election fraud. Someone wouldn't be doing this solo. You don't think mobsters, corrupt politicians, or even foreign intelligence couldn't manage to sway close elections using this method?
- bruceb 5y agoI don't. I am happy to hear how it could be done if you want offer up any plausible scenario. To sway any election its needs to be done a couple thousand times at least. How exactly would that work? How many people could you recruit to do it and nobody says anything? How much would be paid per ballot cast?
- post_from_work 5y agoWe could start by asking this guy: https://apnews.com/article/business-california-95b6935d64ab60da519e2296d46df99a https://apnews.com/article/business-california-95b6935d64ab6...
- klyrs 5y agoGot caught, didn't tamper with the ballots, ballots were re-sent. Also, mail-in ballots don't have ID requirements. Nothingburger.
- BitwiseFool 5y agoElection fraud Chicago style: Illinois’ decades-old notoriety for election corruption is legendary https://www.salon.com/2016/02/14/election_fraud_chicago_style_illinois_decades_old_notoriety_for_election_corruption_is_legendary/ https://www.salon.com/2016/02/14/election_fraud_chicago_styl... I posted this elsewhere in the replies but it seems like an open secret. It seems like once the corruption reaches a critical mass, "the system" is no longer interested in thoroughly following up with fraud allegations. It stands to reason that once the politicians who are willing to commit fraud get elected, they appoint people to key positions that are in-debt to the political machine. Prosecutors have to decide whether or not to pursue an investigation. Judges can dismiss a fraud lawsuit for lack of merit or standing. I'm sure there are plenty of other ways to dismiss efforts to actually cut down on corruption, but I just wanted to name a few.