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I could say the same thing about any language. For instance: "Python needs to appeal to C# developers and other developers... Python seems easiest for PHP dev

I could say the same thing about any language. For instance: "Python needs to appeal to C# developers and other developers... Python seems easiest for PHP devs to get started, but C# devs..." And, the truth is, no, Python doesn't need to do that at all. It just has to be the best Python it can be.

xhevahir 5y ago
Using Python doesn't require you to learn a (big) second language before you can do anything useful, though. F# arguably does. Maybe that is the best F# that F# can be. Which, for a lot of people, is not good enough.
devmunchies 5y ago
I was thinking as a conscious strategy that would impact the way all libraries are built. In my example I posted above, there are no dotnet APIs showing. Its all abstracted. Libraries should create new APIs that are just wrappers around the dotnet library. Whereas, if you look at the examples in the Giraffe framework, you need to do a bunch of dotnet boilerplate. https://github.com/giraffe-fsharp/Giraffe#doing-it-manually https://github.com/giraffe-fsharp/Giraffe#doing-it-manually open System open Microsoft.AspNetCore.Builder open Microsoft.AspNetCore.Hosting open Microsoft.Extensions.Hosting open Microsoft.Extensions.Logging open Microsoft.Extensions.DependencyInjection open Giraffe let webApp = choose [ route "/ping" >=> text "pong" route "/" >=> htmlFile "/pages/index.html" ] type Startup() = member __.ConfigureServices (services : IServiceCollection) = // Register default Giraffe dependencies services.AddGiraffe() |> ignore member __.Configure (app : IApplicationBuilder) (env : IHostEnvironment) (loggerFactory : ILoggerFactory) = // Add Giraffe to the ASP.NET Core pipeline app.UseGiraffe webApp [<EntryPoint>] let main _ = Host.CreateDefaultBuilder() .ConfigureWebHostDefaults( fun webHostBuilder -> webHostBuilder .UseStartup<Startup>() |> ignore) .Build() .Run() 0
- DeathArrow 5y ago
  You have to learn some of .NET framework if you plan to use its features like ASP .NET, but you do not have to learn C#. If you plan to use Python you have to learn some Python libraries.
  - devmunchies 5y ago
    I get that you have to now. my point is that you shouldn't have to. lot of it could be abstracted. the more that is abstracted then the lower the barrier for newcomers.

xhevahir 5y ago

Using Python doesn't require you to learn a (big) second language before you can do anything useful, though. F# arguably does. Maybe that is the best F# that F# can be. Which, for a lot of people, is not good enough.

devmunchies 5y ago

I was thinking as a conscious strategy that would impact the way all libraries are built. In my example I posted above, there are no dotnet APIs showing. Its all abstracted. Libraries should create new APIs that are just wrappers around the dotnet library. Whereas, if you look at the examples in the Giraffe framework, you need to do a bunch of dotnet boilerplate. https://github.com/giraffe-fsharp/Giraffe#doing-it-manually https://github.com/giraffe-fsharp/Giraffe#doing-it-manually open System open Microsoft.AspNetCore.Builder open Microsoft.AspNetCore.Hosting open Microsoft.Extensions.Hosting open Microsoft.Extensions.Logging open Microsoft.Extensions.DependencyInjection open Giraffe let webApp = choose [ route "/ping" >=> text "pong" route "/" >=> htmlFile "/pages/index.html" ] type Startup() = member __.ConfigureServices (services : IServiceCollection) = // Register default Giraffe dependencies services.AddGiraffe() |> ignore member __.Configure (app : IApplicationBuilder) (env : IHostEnvironment) (loggerFactory : ILoggerFactory) = // Add Giraffe to the ASP.NET Core pipeline app.UseGiraffe webApp [<EntryPoint>] let main _ = Host.CreateDefaultBuilder() .ConfigureWebHostDefaults( fun webHostBuilder -> webHostBuilder .UseStartup<Startup>() |> ignore) .Build() .Run() 0

DeathArrow 5y ago
You have to learn some of .NET framework if you plan to use its features like ASP .NET, but you do not have to learn C#. If you plan to use Python you have to learn some Python libraries.
- devmunchies 5y ago
  I get that you have to now. my point is that you shouldn't have to. lot of it could be abstracted. the more that is abstracted then the lower the barrier for newcomers.