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> a normal fit 0 to 40 year old shouldn't get a new vaccine which has no long-term test data for an illness that statistically has a very low risk for them: C

by DanBC 5y ago

> a normal fit 0 to 40 year old shouldn't get a new vaccine which has no long-term test data for an illness that statistically has a very low risk for them: Covid is not low risk for 35-40 year olds. Someone age 25 with both vaccination doses is at higher risk of death than an unvaccinated 12 year old. How you've managed to extrapolate from this to "low risk to people up to age 40" is baffling, especially when you spend the rest of your post talking about how bad people are at understanding data.

School-Cotton 5y ago
> Covid is not low risk for 35-40 year olds. What threshold are you using to define “low risk” ?
- frockington1 5y ago
  You can find data here: https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Provisional-COVID-19-Deaths-by-Sex-and-Age/9bhg-hcku https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Provisional-COVID-19-Deaths-by-Sex... In my opinion, just about everyone is low risk but there is jump in numbers once the 35-40 age group is added
logicalmonster 5y ago
This comment is not to argue with your interpretation of the data. We've both made up our minds, fair enough. The purpose here is point out the risk-management calculation involved. Science qua science can give humans all kinds of (nearly) objective information about viruses and vaccines. A risk-management calculation is not science: that kind of decision comes down to factors such as one's own risk tolerance and projection of the risks involved and many other subjective factors, including trust. For a reasonably well-informed Covid vaccine decision, you have to weigh factors such as your personal risk from Covid and compare that to somewhat known short term potential vaccine injuries/side-effects, and unknown long-term vaccine issues. Whether you or I personally think a vaccine is a good or bad thing for a healthy ~40 year old to take is irrelevant. If you feel safer with it, you are certainly free to take it. The point I'd like to make is that many 40 year olds can reasonably look at Covid death rates for their age group, and compare it to the known short term problems, as well as weigh the likelihood of long-term issues, and come to a sane and reasonable decision to not want to rush and take it. For me, my big issue with the vaccines is fertility. We found out after a few years that Thalidomide caused birth-defects, as just one example in the history of medicine. Personally speaking, I think rushing to mass-inject all children with this (as some people want) is the worst risk-management decision in the history of humanity.

by DanBC 5y ago

School-Cotton 5y ago

> Covid is not low risk for 35-40 year olds. What threshold are you using to define “low risk” ?

frockington1 5y ago
You can find data here: https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Provisional-COVID-19-Deaths-by-Sex-and-Age/9bhg-hcku https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Provisional-COVID-19-Deaths-by-Sex... In my opinion, just about everyone is low risk but there is jump in numbers once the 35-40 age group is added

logicalmonster 5y ago

This comment is not to argue with your interpretation of the data. We've both made up our minds, fair enough. The purpose here is point out the risk-management calculation involved. Science qua science can give humans all kinds of (nearly) objective information about viruses and vaccines. A risk-management calculation is not science: that kind of decision comes down to factors such as one's own risk tolerance and projection of the risks involved and many other subjective factors, including trust. For a reasonably well-informed Covid vaccine decision, you have to weigh factors such as your personal risk from Covid and compare that to somewhat known short term potential vaccine injuries/side-effects, and unknown long-term vaccine issues. Whether you or I personally think a vaccine is a good or bad thing for a healthy ~40 year old to take is irrelevant. If you feel safer with it, you are certainly free to take it. The point I'd like to make is that many 40 year olds can reasonably look at Covid death rates for their age group, and compare it to the known short term problems, as well as weigh the likelihood of long-term issues, and come to a sane and reasonable decision to not want to rush and take it. For me, my big issue with the vaccines is fertility. We found out after a few years that Thalidomide caused birth-defects, as just one example in the history of medicine. Personally speaking, I think rushing to mass-inject all children with this (as some people want) is the worst risk-management decision in the history of humanity.