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Only if we have the tenth of competence in SSA and DMVs (state run) around the US. I want some strong leader to abolish them and start again. Fire all the usele

Only if we have the tenth of competence in SSA and DMVs (state run) around the US. I want some strong leader to abolish them and start again. Fire all the useless employees that corrupt these places if they don’t improve. I’m paying for this. And so are you. And we should expect nothing but excellence. It’s harsh but this is what I feel.

bigbillheck 5y ago
I've lived in and gotten drivers licenses in several states and in none of them were there any problems with the DMVs that couldn't have been improved by hiring more people. It seems like a pretty thankless job, and I would by no means want to do it.
- systemvoltage 5y ago
  At this point, your anecdote doesn't help - heck, DMV's inefficiencies are so widely known and even featured in some movies: https://www.google.com/search?q=dmv+sloth https://www.google.com/search?q=dmv+sloth
  - AutumnCurtain 5y ago
    It seems deeply odd to say anecdotes don't help and then talk about movies, if it doesn't help him it doesn't help you
  - bigbillheck 5y ago
    There are lots of things that are 'widely known and even featured in some movies' which have no basis in fact (or if they ever did, it's long gone). For an example relevant to here, consider how movies depict operating a computer and how that relates to one's own lived experiences.
anonporridge 5y ago
Make work, bullshit jobs is basically a crude mechanism for a kind of UBI for many people. Our governments are deeply disincentivized to cleanup these inefficiencies because it means higher unemployment. This is one of the reasons I'm a strong supporting of an actual UBI + universal healthcare. If people's lives aren't destroyed and driven to death by poverty if they don't have a job, then there won't be as much moral and political hazard to eliminating bullshit jobs in favor a system that works better for all of us.
- throwawaysea 5y ago
  Isn’t this a convoluted way of saying we have too many people?
  - anonporridge 5y ago
    Depends. Do you think the only reason people should exist is to serve the machine?
- systemvoltage 5y ago
  I would side with the opposite: To make it easy to fire government employees (mostly leaders and managers) like we do in private industry. Deeply unpopular but I believe it’s the correct strategy. UBI is not fixing the underlying problem. Strong top down direction like Apple or Space X.
  - coffeecat 5y ago
    > UBI is not fixing the underlying problem. I disagree entirely. The practical and moral reason why it's difficult to fire workers is because it generally results in the worker losing his income and healthcare, leading to personal and familial hardship. If healthcare were de-coupled from employment, then the hardship experienced by a fired worker is reduced. If some amount of income is de-coupled from employment, then the hardship experienced by a fired worker is further reduced (unemployment insurance works fine enough as a temporary band-aid, but it's not the real deal). If we can get enough social infrastructure in place so that fired workers experience minimal hardship, then it becomes morally acceptable to make our government and companies more efficient, by laying off inefficient or unnecessary workers. Society then gets to equitably reap the rewards of this increased efficiency.
    - WorldMaker 5y ago
      Relatedly, in theory it also makes it much easier for a worker in a "local maxima" of doing a job they dislike inefficiently so long as checks get cleared more of an incentive to quit on their own decision and find a better personal "efficiency" for their labor if they feel much more comfortable that they have a safety net if they decide to seek new options.
neuronexmachina 5y ago
Maybe I'm missing something, but what does this have to do with the NOAA's climate report?

bigbillheck 5y ago

I've lived in and gotten drivers licenses in several states and in none of them were there any problems with the DMVs that couldn't have been improved by hiring more people. It seems like a pretty thankless job, and I would by no means want to do it.

systemvoltage 5y ago
At this point, your anecdote doesn't help - heck, DMV's inefficiencies are so widely known and even featured in some movies: https://www.google.com/search?q=dmv+sloth https://www.google.com/search?q=dmv+sloth
- AutumnCurtain 5y ago
  It seems deeply odd to say anecdotes don't help and then talk about movies, if it doesn't help him it doesn't help you
- bigbillheck 5y ago
  There are lots of things that are 'widely known and even featured in some movies' which have no basis in fact (or if they ever did, it's long gone). For an example relevant to here, consider how movies depict operating a computer and how that relates to one's own lived experiences.

anonporridge 5y ago

Make work, bullshit jobs is basically a crude mechanism for a kind of UBI for many people. Our governments are deeply disincentivized to cleanup these inefficiencies because it means higher unemployment. This is one of the reasons I'm a strong supporting of an actual UBI + universal healthcare. If people's lives aren't destroyed and driven to death by poverty if they don't have a job, then there won't be as much moral and political hazard to eliminating bullshit jobs in favor a system that works better for all of us.

throwawaysea 5y ago
Isn’t this a convoluted way of saying we have too many people?
- anonporridge 5y ago
  Depends. Do you think the only reason people should exist is to serve the machine?
systemvoltage 5y ago
I would side with the opposite: To make it easy to fire government employees (mostly leaders and managers) like we do in private industry. Deeply unpopular but I believe it’s the correct strategy. UBI is not fixing the underlying problem. Strong top down direction like Apple or Space X.
- coffeecat 5y ago
  > UBI is not fixing the underlying problem. I disagree entirely. The practical and moral reason why it's difficult to fire workers is because it generally results in the worker losing his income and healthcare, leading to personal and familial hardship. If healthcare were de-coupled from employment, then the hardship experienced by a fired worker is reduced. If some amount of income is de-coupled from employment, then the hardship experienced by a fired worker is further reduced (unemployment insurance works fine enough as a temporary band-aid, but it's not the real deal). If we can get enough social infrastructure in place so that fired workers experience minimal hardship, then it becomes morally acceptable to make our government and companies more efficient, by laying off inefficient or unnecessary workers. Society then gets to equitably reap the rewards of this increased efficiency.
  - WorldMaker 5y ago
    Relatedly, in theory it also makes it much easier for a worker in a "local maxima" of doing a job they dislike inefficiently so long as checks get cleared more of an incentive to quit on their own decision and find a better personal "efficiency" for their labor if they feel much more comfortable that they have a safety net if they decide to seek new options.

neuronexmachina 5y ago

Maybe I'm missing something, but what does this have to do with the NOAA's climate report?