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> Eliminating the URL means that everything is a keyword search to visit places. I don't think you can jump to that conclusion. For example I can come up with

> Eliminating the URL means that everything is a keyword search to visit places. I don't think you can jump to that conclusion. For example I can come up with an idea that removes URLs without going through google. Imagine a new protocol where the user types in something like "john's pizza cafe; order a pizza". My local pizza joint is registered in a DNS-like system and handles the query directly with some commodity search-like system, never going through google; or the pizza joint offloads the query to some 3rd party which crawls their site and handles the resolution. (This is just some dumb idea I came up with off the top of my head; please don't nit-pick it to pieces. Wait for Google's proposal to come out and nit-pick that.) Every internet query going through google would be bad, sure. But google isn't proposing that... yet :)

dylan604 5y ago
> please don't nit-pick it to pieces. that's not how this works. if you don't wont opinions, don't post an idea to the internet. you've just replaced a working DNS system with a DNS system based on best guess or worse requiring a small biz to register with multiple DNS like systems. What happens when competitor beats you to those multiple registration points? >But google isn't proposing that... yet :) Why in the world would you think that google would do anything that did not use their system? That's just not based in reality one bit.
- coldpie 5y ago
  > you've just replaced a working DNS system with a DNS system based on best guess or worse requiring a small biz to register with multiple DNS like systems Yes, I said it's a really dumb idea. Stop wasting your time nit-picking it :) It was an example of how you could create an open, keywords-based system without requiring Google as an intermediary. > Why in the world would you think that google would do anything that did not use their system? That's just not based in reality one bit. Google creates open standards all the time. https://http2.github.io/faq/#whats-the-relationship-with-spdy https://http2.github.io/faq/#whats-the-relationship-with-spd... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebP https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebP https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VP9 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VP9 I don't think their new URL scheme would catch on without buy-in from non-Google stakeholders, so there's plenty of incentive for them to come up with something in cooperation with those stakeholders, who would surely reject a strong dependency on Google's services.
  - dylan604 5y ago
    I'm glad that you put so much faith in Google, but they get no trust from me. Video and Image codecs are nowhere near the samething as web traffic where they can gather data. Of course G wants a faster JS engine. Everything they do is hidden/obfuscated with in that code. Making an engine that is fast enough so they can track mouse movements to generate heat maps and what ever other nefarious JS tracking they are doing/wanting to do in a way that doesn't enfuriate the user is just self centered. The fact that you can use it to do other things is just collateral damage.
  - CRConrad 5y ago
    > It was an example of how you could create an open, keywords-based system without requiring Google as an intermediary. Yeah, you replaced Google with another intermediary or a bunch of other intermediaries. That just shows you're refusing to see that the problem is one of why there should be any intermediary at all.
bandie91 5y ago
actually i had a similar idea for a keyword-based addressing/search on the web. let's call is keyword naming system, KNS. anyone can define any number of keywords for his website (not neccessarily bound to a dns domain) and these keyword–site-address pairs propagate on the net (like routing protocols, or DHT). and to prevent spamming the hell out of this system, each user's local KNS client will prefer those sites for a given keyword which are "bookmarked" by the user's peers (more on the closer peers, less on the more distant ones). this involves some kind of social-netowrking into this system, but don't panic: it is not meant to be a FB, more like a GPG-like web of trust. if your direct "friends" or "peers" or whatever identity which participates in the system (a blog, a yellow pages provider, a local newspaper publisher) visits a site as a result to a keyword and he mark the site appropriative to the keyword (ie. it is not a spam but a legit content for the given keyword according to his opinion), then your KNS client/search engine ranks the site higher. if a friend's friend marks a site this way then your search results still get ranked upper but not that much. and so on: every level more distant the ranking is weighted less. "bookmarked" is not the best term here, because the users don't save the site to bookmarks or into "Favorites", just marks it appropriative. they might not have incentive to do so, but it can be automated by assuming the user judges a site appropriative for a given keyword by interacting with it, or not going back too soon, etc. though it is not perfect because one can just stay on a site out of an interest other than the entered keyword. and it raises privacy questions as well: users generally don't want EVERY of their visits to be signaled on the net, however they are often happy to share a fair amount of their keywords/visits with their friend circles. for the remaining set of activities on the web, they may use an other KNS identity (profile/persona) which nobody, or an other set of people follows.
- dylan604 5y ago
  and what happens when you and I both register the same keyword pairs? or some large corp registers every single keyword pair they can imagine? your also now tying search into a social platform by using "friends" or "peers". i want to find something regardless of what anybody else is doing or has done. if i wanted what my friends were doing, i would already know about it from talking with my friends. i'm so sick of everything trying to be relevant to what others are doing i could vomit.

dylan604 5y ago

> please don't nit-pick it to pieces. that's not how this works. if you don't wont opinions, don't post an idea to the internet. you've just replaced a working DNS system with a DNS system based on best guess or worse requiring a small biz to register with multiple DNS like systems. What happens when competitor beats you to those multiple registration points? >But google isn't proposing that... yet :) Why in the world would you think that google would do anything that did not use their system? That's just not based in reality one bit.

coldpie 5y ago
> you've just replaced a working DNS system with a DNS system based on best guess or worse requiring a small biz to register with multiple DNS like systems Yes, I said it's a really dumb idea. Stop wasting your time nit-picking it :) It was an example of how you could create an open, keywords-based system without requiring Google as an intermediary. > Why in the world would you think that google would do anything that did not use their system? That's just not based in reality one bit. Google creates open standards all the time. https://http2.github.io/faq/#whats-the-relationship-with-spdy https://http2.github.io/faq/#whats-the-relationship-with-spd... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebP https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebP https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VP9 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VP9 I don't think their new URL scheme would catch on without buy-in from non-Google stakeholders, so there's plenty of incentive for them to come up with something in cooperation with those stakeholders, who would surely reject a strong dependency on Google's services.
- dylan604 5y ago
  I'm glad that you put so much faith in Google, but they get no trust from me. Video and Image codecs are nowhere near the samething as web traffic where they can gather data. Of course G wants a faster JS engine. Everything they do is hidden/obfuscated with in that code. Making an engine that is fast enough so they can track mouse movements to generate heat maps and what ever other nefarious JS tracking they are doing/wanting to do in a way that doesn't enfuriate the user is just self centered. The fact that you can use it to do other things is just collateral damage.
- CRConrad 5y ago
  > It was an example of how you could create an open, keywords-based system without requiring Google as an intermediary. Yeah, you replaced Google with another intermediary or a bunch of other intermediaries. That just shows you're refusing to see that the problem is one of why there should be any intermediary at all.

bandie91 5y ago

actually i had a similar idea for a keyword-based addressing/search on the web. let's call is keyword naming system, KNS. anyone can define any number of keywords for his website (not neccessarily bound to a dns domain) and these keyword–site-address pairs propagate on the net (like routing protocols, or DHT). and to prevent spamming the hell out of this system, each user's local KNS client will prefer those sites for a given keyword which are "bookmarked" by the user's peers (more on the closer peers, less on the more distant ones). this involves some kind of social-netowrking into this system, but don't panic: it is not meant to be a FB, more like a GPG-like web of trust. if your direct "friends" or "peers" or whatever identity which participates in the system (a blog, a yellow pages provider, a local newspaper publisher) visits a site as a result to a keyword and he mark the site appropriative to the keyword (ie. it is not a spam but a legit content for the given keyword according to his opinion), then your KNS client/search engine ranks the site higher. if a friend's friend marks a site this way then your search results still get ranked upper but not that much. and so on: every level more distant the ranking is weighted less. "bookmarked" is not the best term here, because the users don't save the site to bookmarks or into "Favorites", just marks it appropriative. they might not have incentive to do so, but it can be automated by assuming the user judges a site appropriative for a given keyword by interacting with it, or not going back too soon, etc. though it is not perfect because one can just stay on a site out of an interest other than the entered keyword. and it raises privacy questions as well: users generally don't want EVERY of their visits to be signaled on the net, however they are often happy to share a fair amount of their keywords/visits with their friend circles. for the remaining set of activities on the web, they may use an other KNS identity (profile/persona) which nobody, or an other set of people follows.

dylan604 5y ago
and what happens when you and I both register the same keyword pairs? or some large corp registers every single keyword pair they can imagine? your also now tying search into a social platform by using "friends" or "peers". i want to find something regardless of what anybody else is doing or has done. if i wanted what my friends were doing, i would already know about it from talking with my friends. i'm so sick of everything trying to be relevant to what others are doing i could vomit.