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> Half the reason people buy iPhones is to show other people they aren't poor While I'm pretty sure you jest here, this simply isn't true. iMessage, FaceTime,

by reayn 5y ago

> Half the reason people buy iPhones is to show other people they aren't poor While I'm pretty sure you jest here, this simply isn't true. iMessage, FaceTime, consistency with family and friends, and the (whether founded or not is up to you) trust in a machine that'll last you quite a few years and "just work" is the main reason people buy iPhones. Not saying that this is my thought process (i have my own reasons for owning one) but it pretty much sums up what the majority of people think. That's just accounting for people who actually care about what phone they own, which you'd be surprised to find is actually a quite small percentage...

jxidjhdhdhdhfhf 5y ago
I disagree, people will make up all sorts of smart-sounding rationales why they just need an iPhone. Just like they need that SUV, McMansion, or any other status good. And heck, they'll even believe their own reasoning. People typically aren't self-aware of their own status-seeking. But in the end that warm feeling from showing off their social status and rising above the unwashed Android masses is still half of the reason people buy them.
- reayn 5y ago
  Oh please, no one's out here trying to "rise above the unwashed android masses" when they buy an iPhone, it's just what they are used to. It's not a status symbol, it's a fucking phone. And despite what you believe, there are many legitimate reasons for choosing an iPhone over the competition, ones that don't revolve around "social status" or "flexing" or anything like that. Even the anecdotes you hear of girls not dating android users and whatnot are comically blown out of proportion; look around you, who really gives a shit aside from nerds on HN?
  - diffeomorphism 5y ago
    Sure they do. Just like Gucci makes good bags, a large factor is that it is a luxury good that people recognize. Same for expensive watches, same for clothing brands. Nothing bad about that. > look around you, who really gives a shit aside from nerds on HN? You to an unhealthy degree, apparently.
    - reayn 5y ago
      Once again I don't really understand the comparison between a PHONE and a gucci bag/expensive watch. Unlike the iPhone, the products you mention cost orders of magnitude more than their competition, I can buy a $30 bag from Ross and a $2000 bag from Gucci and get basically no extra functionality, they are both bags. Despite what people say, iPhones are priced relatively competitively with their competition and don't really have the same "Luxury Appeal" that a Rolex watch may have in comparison to a Casio one. > You to an unhealthy degree, apparently. ?
maxwell 5y ago
> iMessage, FaceTime, ... Right, the top two reasons to use an iPhone are iMessage and FaceTime. And those are the two apps that are still basically impossible to compete with with PWAs due to unimplemented functionality. They have seemed to make more progress on this over the past couple years after getting called out with very astute questions from Rep. Cicilline: https://docs.house.gov/meetings/JU/JU05/20190716/109793/HHRG-116-JU05-20190716-SD036.pdf https://docs.house.gov/meetings/JU/JU05/20190716/109793/HHRG... getUserMedia has now been implemented in WebViews, so WebRTC calls in Chrome for iOS are now possible, that was big. Web push is key too, looks like now code complete in WebKit: https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=182566 https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=182566 No progress yet on the Fullscreen API: https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=206854 https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=206854 And issues remain with expiring permissions, e.g.: https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=228317 https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=228317
- reayn 5y ago
  PWAs come with their own suite of functionality issues these days, but I'm sure they'll be able to compete with Apple's native solutions sooner or later. FaceTime does support sharing links so far but it's something I have yet to test myself.

by reayn 5y ago

jxidjhdhdhdhfhf 5y ago

I disagree, people will make up all sorts of smart-sounding rationales why they just need an iPhone. Just like they need that SUV, McMansion, or any other status good. And heck, they'll even believe their own reasoning. People typically aren't self-aware of their own status-seeking. But in the end that warm feeling from showing off their social status and rising above the unwashed Android masses is still half of the reason people buy them.

reayn 5y ago
Oh please, no one's out here trying to "rise above the unwashed android masses" when they buy an iPhone, it's just what they are used to. It's not a status symbol, it's a fucking phone. And despite what you believe, there are many legitimate reasons for choosing an iPhone over the competition, ones that don't revolve around "social status" or "flexing" or anything like that. Even the anecdotes you hear of girls not dating android users and whatnot are comically blown out of proportion; look around you, who really gives a shit aside from nerds on HN?
- diffeomorphism 5y ago
  Sure they do. Just like Gucci makes good bags, a large factor is that it is a luxury good that people recognize. Same for expensive watches, same for clothing brands. Nothing bad about that. > look around you, who really gives a shit aside from nerds on HN? You to an unhealthy degree, apparently.
  - reayn 5y ago
    Once again I don't really understand the comparison between a PHONE and a gucci bag/expensive watch. Unlike the iPhone, the products you mention cost orders of magnitude more than their competition, I can buy a $30 bag from Ross and a $2000 bag from Gucci and get basically no extra functionality, they are both bags. Despite what people say, iPhones are priced relatively competitively with their competition and don't really have the same "Luxury Appeal" that a Rolex watch may have in comparison to a Casio one. > You to an unhealthy degree, apparently. ?

maxwell 5y ago

> iMessage, FaceTime, ... Right, the top two reasons to use an iPhone are iMessage and FaceTime. And those are the two apps that are still basically impossible to compete with with PWAs due to unimplemented functionality. They have seemed to make more progress on this over the past couple years after getting called out with very astute questions from Rep. Cicilline: https://docs.house.gov/meetings/JU/JU05/20190716/109793/HHRG-116-JU05-20190716-SD036.pdf https://docs.house.gov/meetings/JU/JU05/20190716/109793/HHRG... getUserMedia has now been implemented in WebViews, so WebRTC calls in Chrome for iOS are now possible, that was big. Web push is key too, looks like now code complete in WebKit: https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=182566 https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=182566 No progress yet on the Fullscreen API: https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=206854 https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=206854 And issues remain with expiring permissions, e.g.: https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=228317 https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=228317

reayn 5y ago
PWAs come with their own suite of functionality issues these days, but I'm sure they'll be able to compete with Apple's native solutions sooner or later. FaceTime does support sharing links so far but it's something I have yet to test myself.