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> privileged elite class Professors most certainly are not a "privileged elite class." They're research/teaching specialists. Your talking point sounds strai

> privileged elite class Professors most certainly are not a "privileged elite class." They're research/teaching specialists. Your talking point sounds straight out of some right-wing website/tv channel.

mensetmanusman 5y ago
Sorry, I should have added ‘’ around ‘privileged elite class’ to be more clear that it is certainly a label up for debate. Unfortunately, with the destruction of many jobs due to outsourcing and the shrinking middle class, there are a growing % (and number) of citizens who would consider tenured professors (and their surrounding bureaucracy) an elite institution that looks down on their way of life. Treading this carefully might be necessary since their voting power is growing.
amadeuspagel 5y ago
> Professors most certainly are not a "privileged elite class." What is tenure if not a privilege? And if it isn't then what's the problem here? If tenure isn't something valuable then why are we discussing a story about it being taken away? EDIT: Just lol at the downvotes and the comments here. Lots of snark, personal attacks, but no one actually able to explain how tenure is not a privilege.
- badRNG 5y ago
  Ah yes, the "privileged elite class" consisting of underpaid professors, and the oppressed have finally risen up to turn the power to control speech back over to administrators where that power rightly belongs.
  - amadeuspagel 5y ago
    > Ah yes, the "privileged elite class" consisting of underpaid professors, and the oppressed have finally risen up to turn the power to control speech back over to administrators where that power rightly belongs. Pointless snark that adds absolutely nothing to the discussion.
  - Glyptodon 5y ago
    Really depends on the field. Prestigious profs leading departments or research institutes are making multiples of $100k, even if an average niche humanities profs are making waaaaaay less. And tons of people are trapped in adjunct work.
- shepardrtc 5y ago
  It's a guarantee that someone has been teaching the same thing for years can continue teaching the same thing when political winds shift. It's there so that people such as yourself can't replace them with those whose views they prefer. You classify professors as if they are all the same, which means you're creating a straw man to weaken the position as whole without actually providing any sort of specific point to argue about. How else would you consider professors to be privileged? How do you consider them elite?
  - amadeuspagel 5y ago
    > It's a guarantee that someone has been teaching the same thing for years can continue teaching the same thing when political winds shift. Yeah. Seems valuable. A privilege, almost. > It's there so that people such as yourself can't replace them with those whose views they prefer. Gratuitous personal attack. > You classify professors as if they are all the same, which means you're creating a straw man to weaken the position as whole without actually providing any sort of specific point to argue about. What? > How else would you consider professors to be privileged? How else? So you admit that they are privileged in one sense, in the sense of having tenure, of not having to fear getting fired for speech, and you're asking me how else they are privilged?
    - shepardrtc 5y ago
      > How else? So you admit that they are privileged in one sense, in the sense of having tenure, of not having to fear getting fired for speech, and you're asking me how else they are privilged? You're manipulating what I said. The word 'else' is in reference to what other ways do YOU think they are privileged. And you still haven't answered the questions.
      - amadeuspagel 5y ago
        > You're manipulating what I said. The word 'else' is in reference to what other ways do YOU think they are privileged. OK. So you do not admit that tenure is a privilege? > And you still haven't answered the questions. You have some nerve. You write a comment filled with snark and personal attacks that doesn't answer any of my questions, and now you demand that I answer your questions?
threatofrain 5y ago
And in this case, we're talking about assigning power from the professional class to the executive class, whilst in the same breath bashing Twitter "mobs".

mensetmanusman 5y ago

Sorry, I should have added ‘’ around ‘privileged elite class’ to be more clear that it is certainly a label up for debate. Unfortunately, with the destruction of many jobs due to outsourcing and the shrinking middle class, there are a growing % (and number) of citizens who would consider tenured professors (and their surrounding bureaucracy) an elite institution that looks down on their way of life. Treading this carefully might be necessary since their voting power is growing.

amadeuspagel 5y ago

> Professors most certainly are not a "privileged elite class." What is tenure if not a privilege? And if it isn't then what's the problem here? If tenure isn't something valuable then why are we discussing a story about it being taken away? EDIT: Just lol at the downvotes and the comments here. Lots of snark, personal attacks, but no one actually able to explain how tenure is not a privilege.

badRNG 5y ago
Ah yes, the "privileged elite class" consisting of underpaid professors, and the oppressed have finally risen up to turn the power to control speech back over to administrators where that power rightly belongs.
- amadeuspagel 5y ago
  > Ah yes, the "privileged elite class" consisting of underpaid professors, and the oppressed have finally risen up to turn the power to control speech back over to administrators where that power rightly belongs. Pointless snark that adds absolutely nothing to the discussion.
- Glyptodon 5y ago
  Really depends on the field. Prestigious profs leading departments or research institutes are making multiples of $100k, even if an average niche humanities profs are making waaaaaay less. And tons of people are trapped in adjunct work.
shepardrtc 5y ago
It's a guarantee that someone has been teaching the same thing for years can continue teaching the same thing when political winds shift. It's there so that people such as yourself can't replace them with those whose views they prefer. You classify professors as if they are all the same, which means you're creating a straw man to weaken the position as whole without actually providing any sort of specific point to argue about. How else would you consider professors to be privileged? How do you consider them elite?
- amadeuspagel 5y ago
  > It's a guarantee that someone has been teaching the same thing for years can continue teaching the same thing when political winds shift. Yeah. Seems valuable. A privilege, almost. > It's there so that people such as yourself can't replace them with those whose views they prefer. Gratuitous personal attack. > You classify professors as if they are all the same, which means you're creating a straw man to weaken the position as whole without actually providing any sort of specific point to argue about. What? > How else would you consider professors to be privileged? How else? So you admit that they are privileged in one sense, in the sense of having tenure, of not having to fear getting fired for speech, and you're asking me how else they are privilged?
  - shepardrtc 5y ago
    > How else? So you admit that they are privileged in one sense, in the sense of having tenure, of not having to fear getting fired for speech, and you're asking me how else they are privilged? You're manipulating what I said. The word 'else' is in reference to what other ways do YOU think they are privileged. And you still haven't answered the questions.
    - amadeuspagel 5y ago
      > You're manipulating what I said. The word 'else' is in reference to what other ways do YOU think they are privileged. OK. So you do not admit that tenure is a privilege? > And you still haven't answered the questions. You have some nerve. You write a comment filled with snark and personal attacks that doesn't answer any of my questions, and now you demand that I answer your questions?

threatofrain 5y ago

And in this case, we're talking about assigning power from the professional class to the executive class, whilst in the same breath bashing Twitter "mobs".