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there will be - but it will be in the form of a Chinese mandate to provide phones that do not use Western Operating systems or without western data privacy prot

there will be - but it will be in the form of a Chinese mandate to provide phones that do not use Western Operating systems or without western data privacy protections. Ideas like what Canonical and Firefox tried to do were great, but didn't have enough in it for the powers that be to be successful.

ericmay 5y ago
Yea but kind of a dangerous game to continue playing - does China want to have factories and suppliers close down and relocate out of China? Where will those people work? It may happen anyway but these scenarios are never easy or clean-cut.
- InTheArena 5y ago
  China has no problem using the power of the state to ensure that factories and suppliers don't relocate out of china.
  - ericmay 5y ago
    Doesn't really work when the factories and suppliers supply companies located outside of China and who can make that happen without the consent of the CCP. Either way, it's not clear-cut. Sure China can do that. Great now they can pay those workers since companies like Apple won't be paying them...
gjsman-1000 5y ago
There was also, to be frank, incompetence. Mozilla is paying their director, what, $2.4 million just this year while their browser becomes more irrelevant each year in the usage metrics? And Canonical thought releasing generally-crappy hardware and refusing to support Wayland and requiring a centralized App Store of their own (later the Snap Store) was a winning strategy for getting Linux enthusiasts.
rjzzleep 5y ago
Chinese actually just passed a bunch of data privacy protections. I'd say they're to protect chinese users from western and private companies, whereas the government is free to influence and access. It's conceptually similar to the protections in the west. Protect users, but share data with the 5 eyes. It's just that they won't block you from searching for Uyghur or Winnie the Pooh or something similar in the process. It's kinda interesting because this concept seems to work fine in China for the simple reason that they have so many domestic services. Other countries that just try to copy the China model without the domestic information services(i.e. Iran) have a huge mess on their hands.
sumtechguy 5y ago
you can have the best phone ever. but if you can not talk the big phone companies into putting it on their shelves you are going to have a rough time. my suspicion is android is only as big as it is because verizon did not want to budge on that data thing with Steve jobs. at&t was willing to play ball and it was exclusive and verizon was caught with feature phones only and a couple of janky wince phones with terrible data plan costs.

ericmay 5y ago

Yea but kind of a dangerous game to continue playing - does China want to have factories and suppliers close down and relocate out of China? Where will those people work? It may happen anyway but these scenarios are never easy or clean-cut.

InTheArena 5y ago
China has no problem using the power of the state to ensure that factories and suppliers don't relocate out of china.
- ericmay 5y ago
  Doesn't really work when the factories and suppliers supply companies located outside of China and who can make that happen without the consent of the CCP. Either way, it's not clear-cut. Sure China can do that. Great now they can pay those workers since companies like Apple won't be paying them...

gjsman-1000 5y ago

There was also, to be frank, incompetence. Mozilla is paying their director, what, $2.4 million just this year while their browser becomes more irrelevant each year in the usage metrics? And Canonical thought releasing generally-crappy hardware and refusing to support Wayland and requiring a centralized App Store of their own (later the Snap Store) was a winning strategy for getting Linux enthusiasts.

rjzzleep 5y ago

Chinese actually just passed a bunch of data privacy protections. I'd say they're to protect chinese users from western and private companies, whereas the government is free to influence and access. It's conceptually similar to the protections in the west. Protect users, but share data with the 5 eyes. It's just that they won't block you from searching for Uyghur or Winnie the Pooh or something similar in the process. It's kinda interesting because this concept seems to work fine in China for the simple reason that they have so many domestic services. Other countries that just try to copy the China model without the domestic information services(i.e. Iran) have a huge mess on their hands.

sumtechguy 5y ago

you can have the best phone ever. but if you can not talk the big phone companies into putting it on their shelves you are going to have a rough time. my suspicion is android is only as big as it is because verizon did not want to budge on that data thing with Steve jobs. at&t was willing to play ball and it was exclusive and verizon was caught with feature phones only and a couple of janky wince phones with terrible data plan costs.