Yes, my experience as well. Clojure is more "lisp for java programmers" than "java for lisp programmers". Most of introductory material I found was good in exp

Yes, my experience as well. Clojure is more "lisp for java programmers" than "java for lisp programmers". Most of introductory material I found was good in explaining functional concepts, lisp approach to solving problems etc, but I thought assumed a working knowledge of the JVM ecosystem. For someone utterly unfamiliar to Java/JVM world would find clojure extremely baffling, cryptic error messages, needing to be familiar with the rather large java standard library, etc.