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In my world saying that "something may be something for other people" doesn't equal to "personally assuming that something is something". But I understand where
by gwn7 5y ago
In my world saying that "something may be something for other people" doesn't equal to "personally assuming that something is something". But I understand where you come from.
For me the thinking & debating exercises doesn't have to involve taking a position personally. Sometimes I just want to focus on the argument. My own position & assumptions are irrelevant.
For that reason I don't appreciate it when somebody makes an assumption regarding my assumptions to attack myself instead of focusing on the argument.
- jjnoakes 5y agoI don't see anything in dragonwriter's response that attacks you and not your argument. Perhaps you just disagree with the phrasing, but to me, "you assume" in this context is short for "you assume in your argument" or "your argument assumes" and it still looks valid.
- gwn7 5y ago> "you assume" in this context is short for "you assume in your argument" or "your argument assumes" and it still looks valid An argument doesn't assume, but it states. Assumption is something people do. When somebody makes a statement regarding "what an argument assumes", the meaning is that they are speculating beyond what the argument is stating. So I don't agree with you, but thank you for the discussion.
- jjnoakes 5y agoAn argument assumes if it doesn't back up the assertion with reasoning. For an argument to state, it needs more; as written, it wasn't really an argument to begin with. It was just a theoretical supposition.
- gwn7 5y agoYes, I guess mine was more of a theoretical supposition. It was actually just an observation. Yet a moment later I wasn't really talking about that anymore, but making a more general statement regarding the exercise of debate. Thank you for playing the role of the logic police. I guess it can sometimes be unreasonably hard to talk in a simple forum like this in a chill manner without having to deal with people's (IMO) misplaced pedantry. So be it. I'll try to be more scientific the next time.
- jjnoakes 5y agoHey, I'm just trying to explain what your comments look like to someone not involved in the original conversation, since I agreed with the statement that you objected to. Not sure where this passive aggressive defensiveness is coming from.