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The only place I could find that quote is in a less than reputable site: https://www.naturalnews.com/2021-09-28-covid-deaths-in-vaccinated-3000-higher.html http

The only place I could find that quote is in a less than reputable site: https://www.naturalnews.com/2021-09-28-covid-deaths-in-vaccinated-3000-higher.html https://www.naturalnews.com/2021-09-28-covid-deaths-in-vacci... Meanwhile, in the BBC https://www.bbc.com/news/health-58545548 https://www.bbc.com/news/health-58545548: > Of the 51,281 deaths involving Covid registered in England between 2 January and 2 July 2021: > - 640 (1.2%) were people who had received both vaccine doses > This total includes people who had been infected before they were vaccinated > - Some 458 deaths (0.8%) were people who died at least 21 days after their second dose > Just 256 deaths (0.5%) were people who were both fully vaccinated and who had their first positive PCR test at least 14 days after their second dose > Some deaths after vaccination were always expected because vaccines are not 100% effective, and it takes a couple of weeks after your second dose to build the fullest protection. > The figures show the high degree of protection from the vaccines against illness and death, the ONS said.

schleck8 5y ago
Natural News is a known pseudoscientific website https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/natural-news/ https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/natural-news/
makomk 5y ago
Yikes - the time period the BBC and ONS have chosen for those statistics is close to maximally misleading. It includes most of the 2020/2021 winter wave of cases and deaths which ended before the UK had widespread vaccination whilst almost entirely excluding the summer 2021 wave which happened after most of the adult population was vaccinated. Of course most deaths are going to be amongst people who weren't vaccinated if you only count the ones before vaccination was widespread. To give some context for how bad setting the time period to be from the start of January to the start of July is, the winter wave peaked in cases at the start of January and deaths mid-January, and by the end of the month less than 1% of UK adults had recieved both vaccine doses - and remember, the stats in that article are for both doses only. The next big wave saw deaths start to increase around the start of July, by which point three-quarters of adults had both doses; those deaths aren't counted at all.
- pzo 5y ago
  I don't know what's misleading for you. Even if the stats of death was taken until today (october) it wouldn't make any difference. Have a look at deaths chart: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/ https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/ In january daily deaths peaked at ~1800 and in looks like summer wave peaked at ~190 in september. Also in january daily detected infection peaked at ~67k then in july peaked at ~54k and currently is at around ~43k. So even if detected daily number of cases was not much lower than in january comparing to june that's ~10x reduction of deaths. It's hard to argue that at least there is correlation that increased number of vaccines among population reduced deaths. So even if vaccines maybe won't prevent you from catching the virus it reduces risk of death at least 10x fold. That's enough good benefit for me to get vaccinated.

schleck8 5y ago

Natural News is a known pseudoscientific website https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/natural-news/ https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/natural-news/

makomk 5y ago

Yikes - the time period the BBC and ONS have chosen for those statistics is close to maximally misleading. It includes most of the 2020/2021 winter wave of cases and deaths which ended before the UK had widespread vaccination whilst almost entirely excluding the summer 2021 wave which happened after most of the adult population was vaccinated. Of course most deaths are going to be amongst people who weren't vaccinated if you only count the ones before vaccination was widespread. To give some context for how bad setting the time period to be from the start of January to the start of July is, the winter wave peaked in cases at the start of January and deaths mid-January, and by the end of the month less than 1% of UK adults had recieved both vaccine doses - and remember, the stats in that article are for both doses only. The next big wave saw deaths start to increase around the start of July, by which point three-quarters of adults had both doses; those deaths aren't counted at all.

pzo 5y ago
I don't know what's misleading for you. Even if the stats of death was taken until today (october) it wouldn't make any difference. Have a look at deaths chart: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/ https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/ In january daily deaths peaked at ~1800 and in looks like summer wave peaked at ~190 in september. Also in january daily detected infection peaked at ~67k then in july peaked at ~54k and currently is at around ~43k. So even if detected daily number of cases was not much lower than in january comparing to june that's ~10x reduction of deaths. It's hard to argue that at least there is correlation that increased number of vaccines among population reduced deaths. So even if vaccines maybe won't prevent you from catching the virus it reduces risk of death at least 10x fold. That's enough good benefit for me to get vaccinated.