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It’s the MSM showing you a video of a burning building. Why does that cause you to lose faith in the MSM when they give you video evidence of what’s happening?

idoh 5y ago
It’s the spin, the contrast between what’s on the screen and the commentary about it. It causes me to lose faith in CNN as an unbiased source. Doesn’t apply to all MSM, but it’s a data point.
protomyth 5y ago
We had video evidence of those Convington kids and then found out the part shown was a section that didn't tell the story. Video has been shown and edited a bit too much lately. It's not the shown video but what isn't being shown that is often the problem.
iszomer 5y ago
"Mostly peaceful" said the reporter, in front of a burning building. Context matters.
- jachee 5y ago
  They were showing the anomalous situation, and giving an overview for greater context. Reporting only the former, or only the latter dissociates the two. This was clearly establishing and acknowledging context for the extreme outlier of the situation being pictured. But you’ve already made up your mind, I suppose, and no amount of logic or reason will bring you back.
  - cbozeman 5y ago
    If you want me to believe protests are "mostly peaceful" then don't report in front of a fucking conflagration. Furthermore - and there's no nice way to say this - why are people so dumb as to believe news outlets as if they're arbiters of the truth? As if they were the very Ancients themselves from the Stargate universe, descended down to enlighten us all with zero self-interest? The New York Times COMPANY. A COMPANY. Owned by a trust-fund jackass who inherited it from his great-great-great-however-many-times-grandfather. CNN, owned by Turner Broadcasting Company, owned by WarnerMedia, owned by AT&T... the same AT&T that's lied about bringing fiber to America after getting how many billions in tax dollars for the past 36-something years from Congress? How deluded do you have to be to think any of these outlets are being even remotely objective about "The News"? They pander to your goofy asses, and you consistently believe them. CNN is no better than Fox News is no better than MSNBC is no better than <insert here>. EDIT: You're not goofy, guys... you're just honestly fucking gullible and dumb if you believe any of them. You're being sold a story - a worldview compatible with whatever bullshit you want to believe. It makes me sick that people can't or won't be honest about this.
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    - iszomer 5y ago
      Yes, optics matter and this was one of the worst among them. But you didn't have to go all the way back in history though. In my opinion, CNN's trope of succession is largely forgotten today in this specific journalism-is-dead context but unless "hackers" have been living under a rock for the past few years, pointing this out is far more important than continuing to cherrypick out the headlines. Remember when HN was all about punk/hackers culture from two decades ago? Times have certainly changed. I have seen more humanity in people than I would normally expose myself to but more about those caught in the crossfire. Two examples I can think of was the story of a Seattle security guard snatching away a rifle from a group of rioters whom freshly pillaged a police car and, an urban explorer vlogging his departure from Seattle as a result from the protests. Security guard -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXoGzJZw4Z4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXoGzJZw4Z4 Vagrant Holiday -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUO8secmc0g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUO8secmc0g Somewhat related -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZPgz5T7PXI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZPgz5T7PXI
SilasX 5y ago
And you don't see a problem with the passive voice either ("Fires have been started")?

idoh 5y ago

It’s the spin, the contrast between what’s on the screen and the commentary about it. It causes me to lose faith in CNN as an unbiased source. Doesn’t apply to all MSM, but it’s a data point.

protomyth 5y ago

We had video evidence of those Convington kids and then found out the part shown was a section that didn't tell the story. Video has been shown and edited a bit too much lately. It's not the shown video but what isn't being shown that is often the problem.

iszomer 5y ago

"Mostly peaceful" said the reporter, in front of a burning building. Context matters.

jachee 5y ago
They were showing the anomalous situation, and giving an overview for greater context. Reporting only the former, or only the latter dissociates the two. This was clearly establishing and acknowledging context for the extreme outlier of the situation being pictured. But you’ve already made up your mind, I suppose, and no amount of logic or reason will bring you back.
- cbozeman 5y ago
  If you want me to believe protests are "mostly peaceful" then don't report in front of a fucking conflagration. Furthermore - and there's no nice way to say this - why are people so dumb as to believe news outlets as if they're arbiters of the truth? As if they were the very Ancients themselves from the Stargate universe, descended down to enlighten us all with zero self-interest? The New York Times COMPANY. A COMPANY. Owned by a trust-fund jackass who inherited it from his great-great-great-however-many-times-grandfather. CNN, owned by Turner Broadcasting Company, owned by WarnerMedia, owned by AT&T... the same AT&T that's lied about bringing fiber to America after getting how many billions in tax dollars for the past 36-something years from Congress? How deluded do you have to be to think any of these outlets are being even remotely objective about "The News"? They pander to your goofy asses, and you consistently believe them. CNN is no better than Fox News is no better than MSNBC is no better than <insert here>. EDIT: You're not goofy, guys... you're just honestly fucking gullible and dumb if you believe any of them. You're being sold a story - a worldview compatible with whatever bullshit you want to believe. It makes me sick that people can't or won't be honest about this.
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  - iszomer 5y ago
    Yes, optics matter and this was one of the worst among them. But you didn't have to go all the way back in history though. In my opinion, CNN's trope of succession is largely forgotten today in this specific journalism-is-dead context but unless "hackers" have been living under a rock for the past few years, pointing this out is far more important than continuing to cherrypick out the headlines. Remember when HN was all about punk/hackers culture from two decades ago? Times have certainly changed. I have seen more humanity in people than I would normally expose myself to but more about those caught in the crossfire. Two examples I can think of was the story of a Seattle security guard snatching away a rifle from a group of rioters whom freshly pillaged a police car and, an urban explorer vlogging his departure from Seattle as a result from the protests. Security guard -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXoGzJZw4Z4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXoGzJZw4Z4 Vagrant Holiday -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUO8secmc0g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUO8secmc0g Somewhat related -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZPgz5T7PXI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZPgz5T7PXI

SilasX 5y ago

And you don't see a problem with the passive voice either ("Fires have been started")?