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What's the point of paying anonymously if you are presumably going to be connecting to it from your IP anyway? Unless you're using it with another anonymizing o

What's the point of paying anonymously if you are presumably going to be connecting to it from your IP anyway? Unless you're using it with another anonymizing option first.

blendergeek 5y ago
If you are using it from behind a CG-Nat this could be a very effective form of privacy.
- Ansil849 5y ago
  Not at all. Unless there are tons of people on that network who are using the same VPN as you, it would be trivial to figure out the endpoint.
  - blendergeek 5y ago
    > Unless there are tons of people on that network who are using the same VPN as you, it would be trivial to figure out the endpoint. This is why I hedged my statement with "could be". While it's unlikely that this other condition is met, it is possible.
    - Ansil849 5y ago
      Yes, you're totally right. If the conditions are met that you are 1) behind a CG-NAT, and 2) a statistically significant sample of other users on that CG-NAT is using the same VPN node, then yes it "could be a very effective form of privacy" in this extremely unlikely and contrived example. But in most real-world cases, it is not.
drexlspivey 5y ago
Does your ip come attached with your name?
- Ansil849 5y ago
  Yes, in standard consumer ISP cases, it literally does.
- fomine3 5y ago
  If investigated by law enforcement.
  - TingPing 5y ago
    In court precedent is an ip address doesn't equal a person.
    - Ansil849 5y ago
      No, but in a subpoena it is.
    - KennyBlanken 5y ago
      ...because that IP address is just the public side of a NAT'ing router, likely a wifi router. If you're logged into a VPN, that IP is much more likely to be you, since you had to authenticate to it and you're very unlikely to share the account particulars like you would your wifi password with friends/family/neighbors.
      - blendergeek 5y ago
        This particular discussion surrounds anonymously using a VPN. In this scenario, your VPN does not know who you are. So, even though you have to authenticate, your privacy is still preserved.
    - IanSanders 5y ago
      Sadly I cannot remember the specific case but seem to remembeer at least one occasion where it did

What's the point of paying anonymously if you are presumably going to be connecting to it from your IP anyway? Unless you're using it with another anonymizing option first.

blendergeek 5y ago

If you are using it from behind a CG-Nat this could be a very effective form of privacy.

Ansil849 5y ago
Not at all. Unless there are tons of people on that network who are using the same VPN as you, it would be trivial to figure out the endpoint.
- blendergeek 5y ago
  > Unless there are tons of people on that network who are using the same VPN as you, it would be trivial to figure out the endpoint. This is why I hedged my statement with "could be". While it's unlikely that this other condition is met, it is possible.
  - Ansil849 5y ago
    Yes, you're totally right. If the conditions are met that you are 1) behind a CG-NAT, and 2) a statistically significant sample of other users on that CG-NAT is using the same VPN node, then yes it "could be a very effective form of privacy" in this extremely unlikely and contrived example. But in most real-world cases, it is not.

drexlspivey 5y ago

Does your ip come attached with your name?

Ansil849 5y ago
Yes, in standard consumer ISP cases, it literally does.
fomine3 5y ago
If investigated by law enforcement.
- TingPing 5y ago
  In court precedent is an ip address doesn't equal a person.
  - Ansil849 5y ago
    No, but in a subpoena it is.
  - KennyBlanken 5y ago
    ...because that IP address is just the public side of a NAT'ing router, likely a wifi router. If you're logged into a VPN, that IP is much more likely to be you, since you had to authenticate to it and you're very unlikely to share the account particulars like you would your wifi password with friends/family/neighbors.
    - blendergeek 5y ago
      This particular discussion surrounds anonymously using a VPN. In this scenario, your VPN does not know who you are. So, even though you have to authenticate, your privacy is still preserved.
  - IanSanders 5y ago
    Sadly I cannot remember the specific case but seem to remembeer at least one occasion where it did