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> […] "This is so important that the only thing one can possibly do is Vote Democrat and wait for them to fix it." While living a high carbon international type

> […] "This is so important that the only thing one can possibly do is Vote Democrat and wait for them to fix it." While living a high carbon international type life […] You're not wrong, but voting for politicians that think/thought that climate change is a Chinese conspiracy is hardly an option IMHO. * https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2016/jun/03/hillary-clinton/yes-donald-trump-did-call-climate-change-chinese-h/ https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2016/jun/03/hillary-cl... * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming_conspiracy_theory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming_conspiracy_theo... > If you actually believed in what you were talking about regarding climate change, I can think of an awful lot of better ways to put tens of millions to use than a mansion with the heating and cooling energy requirements of a small island nation. Again, not wrong, but just because people are hypocrites doesn't mean that they're wrong: * https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/tu-quoque https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/tu-quoque Plenty of oncologists smoke cigarettes. :)

antisthenes 5y ago
> You're not wrong, but voting for politicians that think/thought that climate change is a Chinese conspiracy is hardly an option IMHO That's not what the OP was suggesting or implying. His was a statement about the ineffectiveness of political leadership so far and the irrational belief that simply voting means you've already done your civic duty. Yet, reliably, any comment about politics in the US instantly becomes about picking a side. > Again, not wrong, but just because people are hypocrites doesn't mean that they're wrong: It does mean that they're wrong. Someone who's a hypocrite will spend more time shuffling about blame and responsibility than addressing the problem at hand. This approach is objectively wrong if your goal is to solve the problem. > Plenty of oncologists smoke cigarettes Since we're engaging in pointless pedantry and linking fallacies: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formal_fallacy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formal_fallacy

antisthenes 5y ago

> You're not wrong, but voting for politicians that think/thought that climate change is a Chinese conspiracy is hardly an option IMHO That's not what the OP was suggesting or implying. His was a statement about the ineffectiveness of political leadership so far and the irrational belief that simply voting means you've already done your civic duty. Yet, reliably, any comment about politics in the US instantly becomes about picking a side. > Again, not wrong, but just because people are hypocrites doesn't mean that they're wrong: It does mean that they're wrong. Someone who's a hypocrite will spend more time shuffling about blame and responsibility than addressing the problem at hand. This approach is objectively wrong if your goal is to solve the problem. > Plenty of oncologists smoke cigarettes Since we're engaging in pointless pedantry and linking fallacies: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formal_fallacy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formal_fallacy